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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I wanted to start a blog on Incra, because wanted to know what you think. I am relatively new to the discovery. For a long time I was an anti-Incra snob. I saw the shiny gold colored aircraft aluminum and the huge price tag and stuck my nose up in the air. It seemed so extravagant and unnecessary.

But I found a used Wonderfence by Incra and made the plunge. I started looking into it and realized that I could not use it to its full potential without its backbone-the positioner. The whole Incra thing has snow-balled on me and now I am a full believer. I guess I have entered the Incra "cult."

I have a slightly older version of this system (with a brand new positioner):
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I built a router table to use the fence with but it was hastily made and somewhat of a prototype. I used an old piece of formika countertop. There are some features I like: fully enclosed cabinet with dust collection, on/off switch on outside of cabinet, casters on base, etc.

My Router Table:
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It was not long enough for the Incra positioner so I added a hinged shelf. This worked well because it allowed the positioner portion of the fence to fold down and save space when not in use:
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My Router Table with the fence/shelf folded down:
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I also had some thick clear plastic that I used to make a few different router plates. All in all the whole thing is alright but now that I have worked some of the bugs out and committed to the Incra system, I am ready to build the ultimate router table. This current table is not accurate enough. The fence is more accurate than the table top. It is not perfectly flat and the plate also sags. I am building the full size table: 32"x43" (no hinging shelf). The store-bought tables are usually 27Ă—43 but my fence is 32" wide.

I also ordered the Incra Magna-Lock router table plate yesterday. I already have the miter gage channel.

But this is what I want to know from you:

  • Do you own Incra equipment or are you an Anti-Incra snob like I was?

  • Do you have some other commercial brand of router table equipment or something homemade?

  • What do you like/dislike about your system?

  • Did you build your own router table? How did you do it? What innovations have you added?

  • Any suggestions for my table?

  • If you haven't used Incra before, have you checked out their website or ordered a catalog?

  • Please share your experience with Incra products or other router table systems.

Jon3 Has shared his New Yankee style table with us recently. Check out his series HERE. Thanks, Jon3, I like it. I especially like your router lift. How do you like using it? Is it worth the dough? I have never tried one.

I have thought about using their table saw fence system or integrating that with the router table extension. But that is out of my budget for now. Also I figured that dedicated machinery is best if you have room. I don't have much room but for this it is worth it.

The table saw fence system:
(This is a pretty sweet system but I don't have the room or the dough)
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edp wrote a great article about the value of dedicated machinery and I agree with him. Check out his article HERE. Thanks edp. Besides, figure if I have to set up for an opperation on the router table, then use the table saw, and then go back to the router table… well, you get the point.

P.S. I swear I don't work for Incra. I just think their system has dramatically changed the way I do stuff. Everything is infinitely quicker, easier, and more accurate. I build jewelry boxes, so this is crucial.
 
#52 ·
Yes, the arm was extended and can been seen at the length I used it here. This was very near the limits of the stock 1000HD extension of 31".

I know Incra sells longer fence segments but I'm not sure I am ready for that added cost just yet. Do you really think, say the 36" fence, would be THAT much stiffer than what I currently have?
 
#53 ·
I don't think you need to buy anything.

Just attach a hardwood auxiliary fence (the miter gauge probably came with a few extra oval nuts and hex socket bolts to do so). As long as the hardwood fence spans the extension, it should add the needed rigidity.
 
#56 ·
I have never looked at them much and I doubt I would ever get any Incra jigs… I enjoy making my own jigs as well as turning what I have. Might sound strange but I do enjoy having to adjust my miter gage and fence. I also like doing a lot of hand tool work.. So to spend a lot on a incra system would just be silly for me personally.

They look neat though
 
#57 ·
Last summer I took the plunge and bought the TS LS system with the router set-up in the TS wing. Also got the jointery super system. The tablesaw component is all I have time to use to date but it is amazing. The most common thing that amazes me is the zeroing the fence to the blade - takes seconds. So if your changing blades, ie dado or thin kerf it takes seconds to zero the blade. If you want to use a stop block attached to your fence or use a sacrificial fence face - it takes seconds to adjust. Want to zero your fence at your first dado - easy. I love it and can only imagine how sweet the router portion will be. I also got mine in metric - no more damn fractions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#58 ·
I've got an LS system with the WF and LOVE it. Alin - You can make easy ZC fences and the extrusions make them easy to replace when necessary. I had an (really) old B&D table that I never did figure out, and just made jigs and temporary tables when I needed one. This has completely changed the way I use a router! I no longer dread having to revisit a measurement as it's repeatability easily compensates for my (occasional - ha!) oversights. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the new addition.
 
#63 · (Edited by Moderator)
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I bought the original grey plastic gauge, but have never used it. I then bought an Incra Ultra and waited a few years before building 2 router tables with a Jessem routalift. The Ultra is excellent. I have made dozens of both small and really large 4' x 3' x 2' boxes with finger joints. I bought the books and the hinge jig, still not used that. I have 3 of the Rules and they are great. the bend rule just does not slip, the T-rule is great and the 12" straight one can bend around curves. I would love a 1000hd mitre gauge, but dont have anything it would fit, I would have to make up a couple of mitre slides to fit my equipment. Over here in the U.K., Incra stuff is hard to get hold of and is VERY expensive. I really rate the fence on the router, once set up you can just rout with certainty, esp if making multiple items.
 
#64 ·
I have a router table fence and a table saw fence and a miter gauge along with numerous other tools that they sell. I don't think i would ever go back no that i have one. with the way i have the router table fence set up I never have to measure. the incra fence on the table saw is a dream my only complaint is that there isn't enough capacity sometimes but other than that move the fence setting to 4 inches make a cut move it to 8 make a cut its that easy. same with there miters square it to the blade and your set to make any angle cut you want
 
#65 ·
The Table Saw (TS) system is rock-solid, deadly accurate, repeatable. This remains the most accurate tooling in my shop. Yes, it is very expensive - I think of the Pella Windows line "Quality is expensive once"; but it is expensive.

I'm moving away from the Table Saw/Router Table combo - I do enough woodworking to have grown tired of resetting the Fence for the two applications. I have the Wonder Fence - another Incra innovation - installing and dismantling Wonder Fence, repositioning the Positioner, and attaching/dismantling the dust collection became in-efficient. The Incra systems do take-up a lot of real estate (the grey footprint), due to the Positioner travel.

Blake - I see the lock-downs on your setup - are these Incra-sourced? I have concerns that the LS17 will flex, relative to the rock-solid TS I have now.

Thanks Mike
 
#66 ·
Mike - I know your question wasn't directed at me but I have both the LS17 on a table and the TS-LS-32 on my saw. The LS17 full extended has the same amount of flex when it's pushed/tugged/wiggled as my TS-LS locked down - about 0.0005-0.001".
 
#67 · (Edited by Moderator)
I bought this one used and I like it a lot. I only have a couple of complaints aints. The dust collection port is a bit small. The woodpecker router base was a bit twisted and I had to screw around with it before it was flat.

The pic isn't that good. Sorry

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#68 ·
I own a lot of Incra equipment, mostly purchased from Woodpecker's at The Woodworking Shows when they used to rep for them more than they do now. Fortunately, I have actually been to the Incra location. It is in an industrial park in Carrollton, TX. They don't do walk in traffic but if you live close enough you can pick up your order and if you schmooze with the receptionist someone will take you on a tour. I was amazed at how small, but efficient, their operations really are. After seeing their products repped all over the USA at various Woodworking Shows, I just expected their operations to be a lot more significant. I feel really fortunate to be able to pick up my Incra tools, parts, and accessories locally.
 
#69 ·
Blake, I'm just getting into the whole Incra thing. Three or four months ago I bought a real nice Incra miter gauge and I love it. About a month ago I bought a "U build it" starting jig kit but haven't done anything with it yet other than studying and thinking about ways to build a complete jig system. I have also tentatively made up my mind to install a positioning system on my Powermatic PM2000 saw and also build a super nice router table with a positioning system on it. I have also been going to the Incra site off and on and studying their whole system and other concepts. I have a machine shop and figure I can make modifications to everything and add some ideas of my own.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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#70 ·
I have 2 Incra V120 miter gauges. I leave one on my table saw and one on my router table. They're the only Incra items I own, but I am impressed with them. I've only used the 90 and 45 degree detents thus far, but they've been spot on. The price on Amazon wasn't that bad either.
 
#72 · (Edited by Moderator)
Blake,

A favorite topic of mine. Hard to add much to what's been said already, but I've become a confirmed incra user. LS positioner and WonderFence on my router cabinet with a PRL-V2 lift. LS positioner and HD-1000 miter gage on my Unisaw, an Incra track on my drill press table and another on my 12" radial arm saw. Also use their rules all the time.

It all started off innocently enough, but grew and expanded as I came to rely on the precision and repeatability more and more. At the same time I've become accustomed to working to closer and closer tolerances on all my boxes, so the two certainly go together. Sure, you can do wonderful work without Incra, but I, for one, would hate to go back. For years, I carried a tape measure, now I carry a dial caliper.
Roger
 
#73 ·
I love the accuracy of the Incra Miter gauges so I bought the positioning jig to use with my router table. My main use is the cut dadoes for the bottom in the sides of hand cut dovetail boxes. But alas, The jig interferes with raising the lift into a piece of wood. I was using the lift with the work on the opposite side of the lift mechanism but had to turn the lift system 180 degrees to keep the jig off the lift mechanism and now the bit is too close to the lift wheel to engage the lift with a piece of wood over the bit. I'm going to try milling the central slot of the jig closer to the fence so the handle can fit through the jig into the wheel. Since each turn is 1/16" I won't need to be able to see the dial to run it. I hope this works or it's on to the bandsaw with it, if it's not too wide for that.
 
#74 ·
I recently got hooked by Incra by watching the videos on the super system fence and was amazed on the engineering precision craftsmanship they put into there products. I recently fell back in love with woodworking since the old days when I took wood shop in high school then I got kicked out but thats another story. Anyways I just picked up a Incra router table with the caster wheels on CL for 240 and it looks spanking new. So since I purchased by table I had to get the Incra Lift and Rockler had one on sale for 300 bucks, not bad but unforutaintly it was only made for the Rockler brand tables. I guess they figured since you would but this awesome lift you would buy there own brand name table. Anyways I just purchased a the router lift directly from Incra and I googled Incra coupons and I got a coupon code for 20.00 off the price of the Incra Master Lift II and it came out 5 bucks cheaper than Amazon because I did not have to pay uncle sam. Why I don't know but I am not complaining, hope I am not getting Incra in trouble. Anyways I had to pay for shipping but the coupon paid for that. I just bought Porter Cable 3 1/4 HP router motor from Woodcraft for 260 (awesome deal). My next purchase will be the Incra Super Fence, but that is like 450 and my wallet is burning right now.
 
#76 ·
I love all of my Incra gear. I started with the Table Saw Fence system. Then I built a router table into the left wing and added the joinery package. A few months back I picked up the Incra version of the Mast-R-Lift-II, which is obviously just a re-branded Jessem lift, but I love that too. I plan on getting one of the miter gauges in the near future.