[Ty520]

HELP !! Look ahead to my next workshop

Soo in blogs we get to tell our story. Mine is about moving since my wife is a Presbyterian Minister. Now at 65 we are looking ahead to a home in Arizona. And this will be my Workshop Number 6. So in a recap I have been in homes with 2 basement shops, that's when I bought the Shopsmith. A third home with my first garage, later took that down to get my best shop, Half of a 24 by 28 Modular Shed..so I had a 12 by 28 shop open to the other half for my use. With fans, wood stove, white walls and up on a quiet hill top and no neighbors to bother or bother me. Currently I am in the one car garage ( thats the pictures you see ) yes there were some tears leaving the large deluxe shop I created !!!!. Now here is the cry for HELP. in a few years. No one should go to this lightly, I move to photo number 3. a 20 by 24 garage in Arizona with a 5 by 5 storage room at the end. Now I am looking for anyone who has similar shops to send me their pics or thoughts. Here's some parameters….the cars will go in at night, so no tools all over the floor space, I have to roll them along the wall. most are on casters now. The shelf you see can stay or go. The available wall space is 8 feet high 19 feet long and 24 in deep when the cars would be in. Cars will be a Prius and a Jetta. The opposite wall will be storage cabinets for the home, you see the home is built on a slab so any storage is in closets or the garage. Fans…I got fans. There is a side door to the garage for access to the outside and a door to the interior of the home. Heat…no need for wood stove now. If you don't have an idea of Temps in Arizona, I just was there at Thanksgiving and it was 66 at mid day and I was wearing shorts and sport shirts for the 2 weeks I was there. Not the usual PA climate I am used to but I will adjust. I think finishes on projects will dry faster with fans there. i don't get to move the lumber I have acquired, unless I can make it into furniture. If you would go to my last blog or home page to see any tools I have been downsizing over the last years for this. Like any dream shop…dreams can come true. I get to have this and a son and grandson 3 doors down to come in more often. All in all nothing to whine about. kester.hw@gmail.com

Looking at your existing shelves above, I suggest you build a hinged workbench like my Multi Station. Make the bench so the car can get in, then add a folding front with legs like mine. Your benchtop tools can slide out for work access. Add a lock system to the folding front to the wall.
Looks like you could keep the top 3 shelves and build a bench top lagged to the wall at counter height and about 16" deep. Add a 3' or 4' folding section with heavier legs than mine, so when the table drops, the legs drop like mine. If you find it too heavy to lift up and lock, buy a light weight block and tackle attaching it to a stud in the wall. You could also build another folding table on the other wall
I would build the height the same as you ShopSmith, so you can use it as an outfeed table as well.
You should be able to park all your rolling tools at the end of the garage. Either hang a tennis ball to hit the car windows, or add a mark line om the wall 90 degrees to the drivers head, when the car is in far enough for the doors to close.

Hope this helps.

Phil

 

[oldguy2]

Tool Money for Frugal People 2018

Hi this is both my story and a plan for getting money in your pocket to shop for tools. Please do not tell me you make $50,000 or more and don't have money. That's part of my story and read on. Also part of Planning.
When I used to work ( I am at 65 self employed ,ha ha ) and commute and the car broke down ( before cell phones , hence the name Oldguy2 ) I had to wait for AAA and found I had little money on me for even coffee and snacks for the wait. That led to a home discussion of spending money for me since both of us worked and I wasn't getting any budget money to carry,. That's point number one… have this talk with who runs the budget. I call it my allowance. Don't feel stupid. I was making $55,000 plus and not having $25 a week given to me for any expenses….sound familiar. So our family talk even with two kids came about to….I would get….it started here and has gone up and now it $220 a month. READ ON…. so that's about $2400 a year. or $200 a month. Now the deal is I get my money once a month. Don't ask for tool money, budget it, spend it , its yours. Yup LEARN. coffee, donuts, extras just for me. about $30 a week I planned then I made an extra envelope for extras like tools or splurges. I not talking pants and shoes. So I have envelopes per week, guard it, take it on Sunday and extra $ use on or don't into the next week. Part 2 I set up a bank box in my Shop for Tool savings. with 2 envelopes. One as savings putting $5 a week in, you know that latte or coffee and donuts, try one less and put that 5 in. that's 20 a month. Now envelope number 2 is to take and carry anytime to spend freely as you want to sales or stores or auctions, whatever you have the chance to buy for you. Return it and if you can put some extra cash into it. But envelope number 1 gets $5 a week. So potentially that's 20 a month or 40 in 2 months…if you can do better go for it…but don't whine if you don't have money when spring or summer comes and " I wanted to get that and I didn"t have some dough to spend…." Whose fault is that??? Sell a tool. into the bank box. Sell a project. money into the box. Extra from your new allowance….into the bank box for tools. You will feel so much better with $50 or $60 headed out to a sale instead of some $10 and whining " I wish I had more dough to get that or I cannot charge it cause the wife won't let me !!! " Yeah right. Whose fault is that. !!! Time to learn and be your own tool money manager.

 

[htl]

Tool Money for Frugal People 2018

Hi this is both my story and a plan for getting money in your pocket to shop for tools. Please do not tell me you make $50,000 or more and don't have money. That's part of my story and read on. Also part of Planning.
When I used to work ( I am at 65 self employed ,ha ha ) and commute and the car broke down ( before cell phones , hence the name Oldguy2 ) I had to wait for AAA and found I had little money on me for even coffee and snacks for the wait. That led to a home discussion of spending money for me since both of us worked and I wasn't getting any budget money to carry,. That's point number one… have this talk with who runs the budget. I call it my allowance. Don't feel stupid. I was making $55,000 plus and not having $25 a week given to me for any expenses….sound familiar. So our family talk even with two kids came about to….I would get….it started here and has gone up and now it $220 a month. READ ON…. so that's about $2400 a year. or $200 a month. Now the deal is I get my money once a month. Don't ask for tool money, budget it, spend it , its yours. Yup LEARN. coffee, donuts, extras just for me. about $30 a week I planned then I made an extra envelope for extras like tools or splurges. I not talking pants and shoes. So I have envelopes per week, guard it, take it on Sunday and extra $ use on or don't into the next week. Part 2 I set up a bank box in my Shop for Tool savings. with 2 envelopes. One as savings putting $5 a week in, you know that latte or coffee and donuts, try one less and put that 5 in. that's 20 a month. Now envelope number 2 is to take and carry anytime to spend freely as you want to sales or stores or auctions, whatever you have the chance to buy for you. Return it and if you can put some extra cash into it. But envelope number 1 gets $5 a week. So potentially that's 20 a month or 40 in 2 months…if you can do better go for it…but don't whine if you don't have money when spring or summer comes and " I wanted to get that and I didn"t have some dough to spend…." Whose fault is that??? Sell a tool. into the bank box. Sell a project. money into the box. Extra from your new allowance….into the bank box for tools. You will feel so much better with $50 or $60 headed out to a sale instead of some $10 and whining " I wish I had more dough to get that or I cannot charge it cause the wife won't let me !!! " Yeah right. Whose fault is that. !!! Time to learn and be your own tool money manager.

This is a great life lesson thread!!!
One where I have a problem is going in to Harbor Freight [Home Depot] for some small thing and blow $50 on a bunch a not needed at the time tool accessories.
Spend it here and I won't have it when that tool I really need comes a calling.

 

[oldguy2]

New one wall workshop ideas from part 5

This is a continuation of Part 5. 32 feet of reachable shelves and 16 feet of underneath the shelf storage for mobile tools and tool chests. Do you have this much shelf in your shop ? When I plan ahead for a one wall workshop. Rethinking this set of Shelves in a positive light. When I took a new look at these shelves and said take out the bottom row, now the 2nd row up is 43 inches up-- about mid chest and the 3rd row up is about 63 inches up--about nose height . So very much 2 very reachable shelves for items in planned groups or crates or tool chests. Below this I plan to leave the center post ( 8 ft left and right of it.) and cut the left post and right post below shelf number 2 and reinforce from the ceiling. I was already in the ceiling and the trusses are on 2 ft. centers so chains are possible. The top shelf is 7 ft high so likely for seldom used things or maybe some home items. Back to down below. like mobile groups, I have to tool chests on casters each are 28 to 30 in long, in my projects I have already tried a wood top for one ( 28 wide by 36 long with vise ) and its a nice size for projects and in hardwood sturdy. Think about the workspace we use on most projects if you have a large bench, likely you are in your favorite area on it and one vise, even a 2 ft by 4 ft probably half used and half not. So in my goal is to move out one car, roll out the two tool chests or one. I also have two workmates, make a quick set up for work surfaces. Next like I was referred in my first help, I own a Shopsmith 510 roll it out. Then make a quick decide do I need any more like vacuum hoses or power cords from the on the wall hanging under the shelf. This all sounds good but after 5 shops and thinking about back to when you had nothing what did you need to get out each time. I like to reach for my portables and know where my chisels and drill bits are but they can stay on the shelf until needed and then back away. Isn't that what most of these drill holder stations and tool boards are all about.?? I had a large shed building, 12 by 28 half of the garage, with the tools arranged for use, and still had to keep tools close to the bench or move the cut wood to the bench. Looks like now I am thinking tools close to the workbench. Look how you have yours and you might have it that way now. Check out My last Blog about Help Plan my future Workshop and the reply from Shipwright" garage to workshop in 2 minutes ". Attached is the shelves waiting for me in a few years. There is also a 5ft by 5ft storage room with shelves that I can see used for small parts and stains.

Sneakily I have early thoughts of how to get my hardwood moved there by making panels like table tops and putting into the truck. I did not say I was making table tops. I am moving stock in the form of panels which can store easier and flat and then be cut to whatever I want. I hope that sounds like a good idea…can you imagine trying to tell your wife you want to move 30 cherry boards across country or 4 -4 ft by 4 ft table tops ready to work into anything ??

 

[NormG]

New one wall workshop ideas from part 5

This is a continuation of Part 5. 32 feet of reachable shelves and 16 feet of underneath the shelf storage for mobile tools and tool chests. Do you have this much shelf in your shop ? When I plan ahead for a one wall workshop. Rethinking this set of Shelves in a positive light. When I took a new look at these shelves and said take out the bottom row, now the 2nd row up is 43 inches up-- about mid chest and the 3rd row up is about 63 inches up--about nose height . So very much 2 very reachable shelves for items in planned groups or crates or tool chests. Below this I plan to leave the center post ( 8 ft left and right of it.) and cut the left post and right post below shelf number 2 and reinforce from the ceiling. I was already in the ceiling and the trusses are on 2 ft. centers so chains are possible. The top shelf is 7 ft high so likely for seldom used things or maybe some home items. Back to down below. like mobile groups, I have to tool chests on casters each are 28 to 30 in long, in my projects I have already tried a wood top for one ( 28 wide by 36 long with vise ) and its a nice size for projects and in hardwood sturdy. Think about the workspace we use on most projects if you have a large bench, likely you are in your favorite area on it and one vise, even a 2 ft by 4 ft probably half used and half not. So in my goal is to move out one car, roll out the two tool chests or one. I also have two workmates, make a quick set up for work surfaces. Next like I was referred in my first help, I own a Shopsmith 510 roll it out. Then make a quick decide do I need any more like vacuum hoses or power cords from the on the wall hanging under the shelf. This all sounds good but after 5 shops and thinking about back to when you had nothing what did you need to get out each time. I like to reach for my portables and know where my chisels and drill bits are but they can stay on the shelf until needed and then back away. Isn't that what most of these drill holder stations and tool boards are all about.?? I had a large shed building, 12 by 28 half of the garage, with the tools arranged for use, and still had to keep tools close to the bench or move the cut wood to the bench. Looks like now I am thinking tools close to the workbench. Look how you have yours and you might have it that way now. Check out My last Blog about Help Plan my future Workshop and the reply from Shipwright" garage to workshop in 2 minutes ". Attached is the shelves waiting for me in a few years. There is also a 5ft by 5ft storage room with shelves that I can see used for small parts and stains.

Sneakily I have early thoughts of how to get my hardwood moved there by making panels like table tops and putting into the truck. I did not say I was making table tops. I am moving stock in the form of panels which can store easier and flat and then be cut to whatever I want. I hope that sounds like a good idea…can you imagine trying to tell your wife you want to move 30 cherry boards across country or 4 -4 ft by 4 ft table tops ready to work into anything ??

Sounds very workable

 

[oldguy2]

Think Like a Business..Making and Buying

As I retired in 2009, I got ready with a few more tools to be Hals Wood Shop. Making crafts and selling furniture like products. I had the plans and had made many projects over the years. Since then my Business has become a hobby and I make gifts for friends and grandsons. Thinking like a business, I had bought one more tool at a time as a sale came up or having 5 routers made sense. Finally 2 died from age and now with 3 its great. How do you get 4 drills, and why??? I added strips to my bench to make it 4 inches wider in hardwood. One for pilot holes, one for the body drill and another for the countersink. Finally my favorite the driver drill. Each board was added in minutes not a longer time of changing bits. So one drill was a sale it was the floor model at Lowes and on clearance so I bought it right away ( $15) another the contractor was selling with dirt all over and I checked with my battery and it ran so another $15 and now another in my Ryobi set. I already had the blue and green (1/2 inch) drills. We don't often do this multiple step but it felt great doing it. I showed my dumpster of wood for $20 I saw many small projects of boxes and cutting boards and small glue ups. even another mallot…all in my projects page. And still 6 more boxes of the 24 to go, yes some went to firewood. But so worth the dollars and the few hours to box it and bring it home….yup never had a truck. The two chairs are for my porch and there are two more. I paid $25 for the 4. I wanted the plans and found them on Skill tools but there were already made. I have patterns and comfort. I see the chairs in red white and blue. I have bougotypht drywall screws at yard sales when in bulk and working clamps also. Don't buy it just to have it or its junk. If you don't use a brace and bit, why buy one. My grandson loves it to drill holes and he is busy and safe, but I already owned one. A business makes a prototype and then mass production. Doing that one some projects…like my candy dispenser ..makes more sense and is efficient. What else could you do ? Check out my projects and maybe you see an idea for you. Thanks.

 

[ralbuck]

Think Like a Business..Making and Buying

As I retired in 2009, I got ready with a few more tools to be Hals Wood Shop. Making crafts and selling furniture like products. I had the plans and had made many projects over the years. Since then my Business has become a hobby and I make gifts for friends and grandsons. Thinking like a business, I had bought one more tool at a time as a sale came up or having 5 routers made sense. Finally 2 died from age and now with 3 its great. How do you get 4 drills, and why??? I added strips to my bench to make it 4 inches wider in hardwood. One for pilot holes, one for the body drill and another for the countersink. Finally my favorite the driver drill. Each board was added in minutes not a longer time of changing bits. So one drill was a sale it was the floor model at Lowes and on clearance so I bought it right away ( $15) another the contractor was selling with dirt all over and I checked with my battery and it ran so another $15 and now another in my Ryobi set. I already had the blue and green (1/2 inch) drills. We don't often do this multiple step but it felt great doing it. I showed my dumpster of wood for $20 I saw many small projects of boxes and cutting boards and small glue ups. even another mallot…all in my projects page. And still 6 more boxes of the 24 to go, yes some went to firewood. But so worth the dollars and the few hours to box it and bring it home….yup never had a truck. The two chairs are for my porch and there are two more. I paid $25 for the 4. I wanted the plans and found them on Skill tools but there were already made. I have patterns and comfort. I see the chairs in red white and blue. I have bougotypht drywall screws at yard sales when in bulk and working clamps also. Don't buy it just to have it or its junk. If you don't use a brace and bit, why buy one. My grandson loves it to drill holes and he is busy and safe, but I already owned one. A business makes a prototype and then mass production. Doing that one some projects…like my candy dispenser ..makes more sense and is efficient. What else could you do ? Check out my projects and maybe you see an idea for you. Thanks.

Doing that is cheaper and better than chasing a little ball; or being glued to a recliner with a remote in your hand!

Also keeps mind and body working too.
So keep going!

 

[Ocelot]

Think Like a Business..Making and Buying

As I retired in 2009, I got ready with a few more tools to be Hals Wood Shop. Making crafts and selling furniture like products. I had the plans and had made many projects over the years. Since then my Business has become a hobby and I make gifts for friends and grandsons. Thinking like a business, I had bought one more tool at a time as a sale came up or having 5 routers made sense. Finally 2 died from age and now with 3 its great. How do you get 4 drills, and why??? I added strips to my bench to make it 4 inches wider in hardwood. One for pilot holes, one for the body drill and another for the countersink. Finally my favorite the driver drill. Each board was added in minutes not a longer time of changing bits. So one drill was a sale it was the floor model at Lowes and on clearance so I bought it right away ( $15) another the contractor was selling with dirt all over and I checked with my battery and it ran so another $15 and now another in my Ryobi set. I already had the blue and green (1/2 inch) drills. We don't often do this multiple step but it felt great doing it. I showed my dumpster of wood for $20 I saw many small projects of boxes and cutting boards and small glue ups. even another mallot…all in my projects page. And still 6 more boxes of the 24 to go, yes some went to firewood. But so worth the dollars and the few hours to box it and bring it home….yup never had a truck. The two chairs are for my porch and there are two more. I paid $25 for the 4. I wanted the plans and found them on Skill tools but there were already made. I have patterns and comfort. I see the chairs in red white and blue. I have bougotypht drywall screws at yard sales when in bulk and working clamps also. Don't buy it just to have it or its junk. If you don't use a brace and bit, why buy one. My grandson loves it to drill holes and he is busy and safe, but I already owned one. A business makes a prototype and then mass production. Doing that one some projects…like my candy dispenser ..makes more sense and is efficient. What else could you do ? Check out my projects and maybe you see an idea for you. Thanks.

I like the idea of making a prototype and then mass produce.

I was recently in a box swap and had to drop out 'cause I didn't make the ship date… but I'm still planning to make several more boxes on the same theme as the one I was making for the swap. Yeah, the first one took awhile, but the 6th one will be a snap. I have 6 children (as of next week - I count that one even though she's not quite born yet.) I'm thinking every child needs a couple of boxes - and maybe each one needs a blanket/toy chest and maybe a rocking chair… Just need to make 6 or 8 of each thing. There's no place in the house to put all that stuff, but we'll figure it out.

I bought a Freud door router set on eBay for entry and interior doors. I have one door to make (70" short door for 2nd floor entry to the attic of my shop), but I figure the rail and stile set can also make blanket chests and the like - so I'll get some use out of that set.

-Paul

 

[oldguy2]

Christmas Gift Treat Yourself to a Gallon

This is my mini rant on economics and lessons learned. Buy the Gallon it is worth it.
l. I was gluing together another cutting board and had thrown out the old gallon from 2014…clearly not so good at 4 years old. talk about being frugal..oh my.
2. So I had bought a new 16 oz Titebond II for about $6 and found after some steps it was half empty. Now in my mind , I am old but seriously , it was half empty. 20 wood strips of gluing had used half the bottle.
3. So I proceeded to recheck the prices and evaluate my use and refilling my homemade bottles.
Here is the facts.
My local home store ….One gallon-128 oz-- $18 is equal to in amounts 8 of the 16 oz bottles.
now even my oldguy math says $6×8 = $48 lets not forget the tax wherever you live and the one 1 gallon is $18 and could refill that bottle 8 times.
4. Sooooo currently in my shop is a new gallon labeled with a sharpie the date of purchase and price.
Label the date as you should figure about 3 years of shelf life. I like to refill about 3 different size containers with varied spouts. Then I cover the top with a plastic baggie and the cap the gallon of glue to seal it better.
5. I figure in my home shop about 1 to 2 projects a month at the best sometimes less since I have another job. so this gallon could last me another 3 years. Not bad for the dollars invested and the cost.

Treat Yourself Buy the Gallon.

Woodsmith had an article on how to read the dates stamped on the bottles, even on the smaller sizes, some are a year old on the store shelves. or search this topic.

 

[Ocelot]

Christmas Gift Treat Yourself to a Gallon

This is my mini rant on economics and lessons learned. Buy the Gallon it is worth it.
l. I was gluing together another cutting board and had thrown out the old gallon from 2014…clearly not so good at 4 years old. talk about being frugal..oh my.
2. So I had bought a new 16 oz Titebond II for about $6 and found after some steps it was half empty. Now in my mind , I am old but seriously , it was half empty. 20 wood strips of gluing had used half the bottle.
3. So I proceeded to recheck the prices and evaluate my use and refilling my homemade bottles.
Here is the facts.
My local home store ….One gallon-128 oz-- $18 is equal to in amounts 8 of the 16 oz bottles.
now even my oldguy math says $6×8 = $48 lets not forget the tax wherever you live and the one 1 gallon is $18 and could refill that bottle 8 times.
4. Sooooo currently in my shop is a new gallon labeled with a sharpie the date of purchase and price.
Label the date as you should figure about 3 years of shelf life. I like to refill about 3 different size containers with varied spouts. Then I cover the top with a plastic baggie and the cap the gallon of glue to seal it better.
5. I figure in my home shop about 1 to 2 projects a month at the best sometimes less since I have another job. so this gallon could last me another 3 years. Not bad for the dollars invested and the cost.

Treat Yourself Buy the Gallon.

Woodsmith had an article on how to read the dates stamped on the bottles, even on the smaller sizes, some are a year old on the store shelves. or search this topic.

That's what I usually do - even though I use far less of it that you do. I also have to remember to take the glue into the house when it's going to be really cold so it won't freeze in the shop.

 

[Bluenote38]

Christmas Gift Treat Yourself to a Gallon

This is my mini rant on economics and lessons learned. Buy the Gallon it is worth it.
l. I was gluing together another cutting board and had thrown out the old gallon from 2014…clearly not so good at 4 years old. talk about being frugal..oh my.
2. So I had bought a new 16 oz Titebond II for about $6 and found after some steps it was half empty. Now in my mind , I am old but seriously , it was half empty. 20 wood strips of gluing had used half the bottle.
3. So I proceeded to recheck the prices and evaluate my use and refilling my homemade bottles.
Here is the facts.
My local home store ….One gallon-128 oz-- $18 is equal to in amounts 8 of the 16 oz bottles.
now even my oldguy math says $6×8 = $48 lets not forget the tax wherever you live and the one 1 gallon is $18 and could refill that bottle 8 times.
4. Sooooo currently in my shop is a new gallon labeled with a sharpie the date of purchase and price.
Label the date as you should figure about 3 years of shelf life. I like to refill about 3 different size containers with varied spouts. Then I cover the top with a plastic baggie and the cap the gallon of glue to seal it better.
5. I figure in my home shop about 1 to 2 projects a month at the best sometimes less since I have another job. so this gallon could last me another 3 years. Not bad for the dollars invested and the cost.

Treat Yourself Buy the Gallon.

Woodsmith had an article on how to read the dates stamped on the bottles, even on the smaller sizes, some are a year old on the store shelves. or search this topic.

Great stuff to consider. Thanks.

 

[BurlyBob]

Christmas Gift Treat Yourself to a Gallon

This is my mini rant on economics and lessons learned. Buy the Gallon it is worth it.
l. I was gluing together another cutting board and had thrown out the old gallon from 2014…clearly not so good at 4 years old. talk about being frugal..oh my.
2. So I had bought a new 16 oz Titebond II for about $6 and found after some steps it was half empty. Now in my mind , I am old but seriously , it was half empty. 20 wood strips of gluing had used half the bottle.
3. So I proceeded to recheck the prices and evaluate my use and refilling my homemade bottles.
Here is the facts.
My local home store ….One gallon-128 oz-- $18 is equal to in amounts 8 of the 16 oz bottles.
now even my oldguy math says $6×8 = $48 lets not forget the tax wherever you live and the one 1 gallon is $18 and could refill that bottle 8 times.
4. Sooooo currently in my shop is a new gallon labeled with a sharpie the date of purchase and price.
Label the date as you should figure about 3 years of shelf life. I like to refill about 3 different size containers with varied spouts. Then I cover the top with a plastic baggie and the cap the gallon of glue to seal it better.
5. I figure in my home shop about 1 to 2 projects a month at the best sometimes less since I have another job. so this gallon could last me another 3 years. Not bad for the dollars invested and the cost.

Treat Yourself Buy the Gallon.

Woodsmith had an article on how to read the dates stamped on the bottles, even on the smaller sizes, some are a year old on the store shelves. or search this topic.

Glad read this. It reminded me I left my bottle of glue in the garage. It's headed to 4 degrees tonight. It's warming up now on the kitchen counter. Thanks.

 

[theart]

Christmas Gift Treat Yourself to a Gallon

This is my mini rant on economics and lessons learned. Buy the Gallon it is worth it.
l. I was gluing together another cutting board and had thrown out the old gallon from 2014…clearly not so good at 4 years old. talk about being frugal..oh my.
2. So I had bought a new 16 oz Titebond II for about $6 and found after some steps it was half empty. Now in my mind , I am old but seriously , it was half empty. 20 wood strips of gluing had used half the bottle.
3. So I proceeded to recheck the prices and evaluate my use and refilling my homemade bottles.
Here is the facts.
My local home store ….One gallon-128 oz-- $18 is equal to in amounts 8 of the 16 oz bottles.
now even my oldguy math says $6×8 = $48 lets not forget the tax wherever you live and the one 1 gallon is $18 and could refill that bottle 8 times.
4. Sooooo currently in my shop is a new gallon labeled with a sharpie the date of purchase and price.
Label the date as you should figure about 3 years of shelf life. I like to refill about 3 different size containers with varied spouts. Then I cover the top with a plastic baggie and the cap the gallon of glue to seal it better.
5. I figure in my home shop about 1 to 2 projects a month at the best sometimes less since I have another job. so this gallon could last me another 3 years. Not bad for the dollars invested and the cost.

Treat Yourself Buy the Gallon.

Woodsmith had an article on how to read the dates stamped on the bottles, even on the smaller sizes, some are a year old on the store shelves. or search this topic.

Then I cover the top with a plastic baggie and the cap the gallon of glue to seal it better.

Even with a tight seal, there's a lot of oxygen already in a partly empty gallon bottle. You might get a longer shelf life by splitting the whole gallon at once into smaller bottles that are all filled to the top.

 

[oldguy2]

Folding workbench with next to nothing.

So next to Nothing is I am starting new in AZ with a Black and Decker 20 vt kit from Lowes I bought last Christmas--drill, 2 saws and light and 2 batteries for $129--and some few hand tools I borrowed from my son. I had to even go buy boxes of screws….now that really bites since in my PA shop you walk over to many many boxes of screws, not even a second thought. Glue. what no glue here. So I had to remove two old particle board base units from a laundry room, each about 2 ft by 4 ft. one even I rocked and the joints collapsed to help me get it out of the room. And this garage shop and fold up bench had been one of the plans for me since 2 cars MUST go in the garage. The other plan is a folding workbench. Now Craigs list had provided me with an older Craftsman saw, like I had in my 30's. I had even made raised panel doors with it, so I was super pleased. new motor, stand, link belt. $125. better than a plastic direct drive. I made a table sled in minutes and was ready. Ryobi stationary belt sander and small new shop vac. all in all. $400 so far. Now checking on the wood I found particle board for the top, 2 pieces 2 ft by 4 ft x 1/2$5 each , 3 2×3x8 ft $2 each. Then checked the shiplap planks. even not on sale was my plan. but I found some in culled lumber and bought 7 boards. even a 12 ft they cut at 6 ft which was my plan and helped transport. I used 3/8 bolts and washers for the legs to swing, many 1 inch screws and some deck screws I found and some 2.5 in screws I bought. T hinges for the top to lower from a cross 2×3x48in inside board as the width of the frame. To beef this up I planned and cut the old base unit into 2-bottom sides to 32in. as I am shorter to make the bench height about 33 inch by 11 wide and the other to be the upper inside for possible shelf reusing the dado. These were screwed to 2 shiplap 5.5 in planks making an 11 inch side. now about a full inch thick. I guessed this would be top heavy with the bench so I added some feet extending out about 5 inches from 2×3 and it stays verical very well. A hook and eye hold the bench up. The big idea for this is in Family Handyman and Shopsmith workshop on a wall. Utube has the workshop on the wall and I made it a standup version to suit me. Shopsmith you can find in Shopsmith.com forum

 

[LumberZac]

Folding workbench with next to nothing.

So next to Nothing is I am starting new in AZ with a Black and Decker 20 vt kit from Lowes I bought last Christmas--drill, 2 saws and light and 2 batteries for $129--and some few hand tools I borrowed from my son. I had to even go buy boxes of screws….now that really bites since in my PA shop you walk over to many many boxes of screws, not even a second thought. Glue. what no glue here. So I had to remove two old particle board base units from a laundry room, each about 2 ft by 4 ft. one even I rocked and the joints collapsed to help me get it out of the room. And this garage shop and fold up bench had been one of the plans for me since 2 cars MUST go in the garage. The other plan is a folding workbench. Now Craigs list had provided me with an older Craftsman saw, like I had in my 30's. I had even made raised panel doors with it, so I was super pleased. new motor, stand, link belt. $125. better than a plastic direct drive. I made a table sled in minutes and was ready. Ryobi stationary belt sander and small new shop vac. all in all. $400 so far. Now checking on the wood I found particle board for the top, 2 pieces 2 ft by 4 ft x 1/2$5 each , 3 2×3x8 ft $2 each. Then checked the shiplap planks. even not on sale was my plan. but I found some in culled lumber and bought 7 boards. even a 12 ft they cut at 6 ft which was my plan and helped transport. I used 3/8 bolts and washers for the legs to swing, many 1 inch screws and some deck screws I found and some 2.5 in screws I bought. T hinges for the top to lower from a cross 2×3x48in inside board as the width of the frame. To beef this up I planned and cut the old base unit into 2-bottom sides to 32in. as I am shorter to make the bench height about 33 inch by 11 wide and the other to be the upper inside for possible shelf reusing the dado. These were screwed to 2 shiplap 5.5 in planks making an 11 inch side. now about a full inch thick. I guessed this would be top heavy with the bench so I added some feet extending out about 5 inches from 2×3 and it stays verical very well. A hook and eye hold the bench up. The big idea for this is in Family Handyman and Shopsmith workshop on a wall. Utube has the workshop on the wall and I made it a standup version to suit me. Shopsmith you can find in Shopsmith.com forum

It's a neat little bench, just not confident in OSB as a benchtop(the strands are oriented for bracing strength and don't handle lateral forces well or just general wear for the matter).
Maybe add some ply or even masonite on top if you can; going to handle repeated use a lot better.

 

[oldguy2]

Selling and moving to Shed Shop in Arizona

Do you love Yard Sales and looking for Tools? Well you missed my sales! in 4 saturdays I have sold many basic tools and some furniture and made over $250, and not selling some of the real good stuff yet. The lumber and the Shopsmith are still there and more dressers and tables are heading out. But I have some regulars who know we are moving and check on my sales. But the simple shelf was one of my first projects back when we lived in a mobile home and I recall barely having a scroll saw and drill, you know the cord model from black and decker. So it is really old but has lasted in the corner and finally I added screws, yes at first it was built with nails. Wow that says it all. Good old pine boards and stain and poly. Not even room in my plans to get it in the container and save it for the new shop even for tools.
Next This is an 8 by 16 Tuff Shed from Home Depot. Their man woman crew assembled it in about 4 hours. Metal base and skylight. I added the extra floor coating. Now I am well prepped in planning small shops and what not to get. What I need comments on is….insulation, swamp coolers,... As a one person shop and usually 2 to 3 circuit lines I have done well with no electric problems. This will be shop number 6…I had hoped for the garage but space was just too small in the ranch home. My son has lived in AZ since 06 and after numerous visits I have most of the sense of what not to do, like work in the shop from 11 am to 4 pm. October to April will be better months with those doors open. I have had 2 small basement shops, 2 single car garages about 14×20, and one half of a typical 24 by 24 large garage. This will certainly have its fun moments.

 

[Makarov]

Selling and moving to Shed Shop in Arizona

Do you love Yard Sales and looking for Tools? Well you missed my sales! in 4 saturdays I have sold many basic tools and some furniture and made over $250, and not selling some of the real good stuff yet. The lumber and the Shopsmith are still there and more dressers and tables are heading out. But I have some regulars who know we are moving and check on my sales. But the simple shelf was one of my first projects back when we lived in a mobile home and I recall barely having a scroll saw and drill, you know the cord model from black and decker. So it is really old but has lasted in the corner and finally I added screws, yes at first it was built with nails. Wow that says it all. Good old pine boards and stain and poly. Not even room in my plans to get it in the container and save it for the new shop even for tools.
Next This is an 8 by 16 Tuff Shed from Home Depot. Their man woman crew assembled it in about 4 hours. Metal base and skylight. I added the extra floor coating. Now I am well prepped in planning small shops and what not to get. What I need comments on is….insulation, swamp coolers,... As a one person shop and usually 2 to 3 circuit lines I have done well with no electric problems. This will be shop number 6…I had hoped for the garage but space was just too small in the ranch home. My son has lived in AZ since 06 and after numerous visits I have most of the sense of what not to do, like work in the shop from 11 am to 4 pm. October to April will be better months with those doors open. I have had 2 small basement shops, 2 single car garages about 14×20, and one half of a typical 24 by 24 large garage. This will certainly have its fun moments.

I would insulate and and build in an air conditioner. Swamp coolers work where it is dry, when you need the cooling in AZ is monsoon season when it is relatively humid. add a awning of some kind to your shed and you can work most of the time outside. (assuming you live in phoenix to yuma zone.)

Eric in Prescott.

 

[oldguy2]

More than you think in a Shed Shop..ccnt.AZ

Spring Break and Thanks for the Extra Shop time. So more to unpack from our move here at New Years. How much can an 8×16 Shop take? I am enjoying every minute of get all i use into this space. Only some extra in the garage. I raised the 8 ft. wall shelf up, 5 inches its 12 in wide to get boxes inside it. and still not used well the space underneath. I added shelves 8 inch wide above the workbench…its on wheels..so not losing bench workspace but most projects I can reach the portable tools on the shelves . Heavy saws and biscuit joiner, router are under the bench and some other regular items.. I may move that vise to the right hand end. Magnet strip has its use. At the lathe area more organized shelf and I found 5 push blocks for the jointer and saw. Angle gauges and a lamp project in the works. For the Shopsmith I added a block for the miter gauge as a holster. And had to remake my outfeed table…this is the first project on my website for more details…since I sold the old one when I sold my Shopsmith in PA. Yesterday proved the working space as I ripped panels 36 inch long to have straight edges getting ready for a new bookcase project and had 14 pieces stacked aside the workmate, plenty of walk room and the double door open made the space the view and dust control work well. The shopvac on the wall worked as planned, see another blog.

 

[Ocelot]

More than you think in a Shed Shop..ccnt.AZ

Spring Break and Thanks for the Extra Shop time. So more to unpack from our move here at New Years. How much can an 8×16 Shop take? I am enjoying every minute of get all i use into this space. Only some extra in the garage. I raised the 8 ft. wall shelf up, 5 inches its 12 in wide to get boxes inside it. and still not used well the space underneath. I added shelves 8 inch wide above the workbench…its on wheels..so not losing bench workspace but most projects I can reach the portable tools on the shelves . Heavy saws and biscuit joiner, router are under the bench and some other regular items.. I may move that vise to the right hand end. Magnet strip has its use. At the lathe area more organized shelf and I found 5 push blocks for the jointer and saw. Angle gauges and a lamp project in the works. For the Shopsmith I added a block for the miter gauge as a holster. And had to remake my outfeed table…this is the first project on my website for more details…since I sold the old one when I sold my Shopsmith in PA. Yesterday proved the working space as I ripped panels 36 inch long to have straight edges getting ready for a new bookcase project and had 14 pieces stacked aside the workmate, plenty of walk room and the double door open made the space the view and dust control work well. The shopvac on the wall worked as planned, see another blog.

It looks like you are using your space well. If you even go back to a larger shop you won't know what to do with all the space. I've got 40' x 28' and it's cluttered.

-Paul

 

[oldguy2]

Arizona..or April in somewhere USA...

Its April 27th here.. I used to live in PA. So this is now what you need outside of Phoenix. A 10×10 canopy. A misting Fan and hose line. I start this as I get ready to work in my shop. The breeze is cool and wonderful. The cost was nominal. As I watch some utube show that I regularly see, its April in Minnesota or Tennessee they are in Jeans and a hoodie.. not the case here . I have been wearing shorts and t shirt or sport shirt for a month. My shop is insulated as needed and ventilated. the skylight brings in plenty of light , its frosted glass. What a change from chilly and mowing my lawn…I sold that …..to heat and wide hats work outdoors any day you want. The last rain I saw was at November when I drove one car here. Maybe I forgot a day it sprinkled.. Sunsets…colorful strokes of red and mauve. I know why I moved here. And right now I am adjusting to the heat. For my self it has been some real adjusting. Thanks. Have a good tiime in your shop. Hal