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To Buy or Not to Buy - Jointer, Planer, Horizontal Mortiser

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I am considering buying this German-made "Scheppach HM2- Kombi Machine"

https://nh.craigslist.org/tls/5854072583.html

I have a small shop, so having something that is a heavy-duty, powerful machine capable of jointing at just over 11" (the owner says it'll handle up to 11-1/4") is incredibly appealing to me. This machine also works off of 110v or 220v, which is not the case with most vintage wide bed jointers I have seen. I have no interest in trying to wire my basement shop with 3-phase 440v power!

So, presuming this is in good shape as the owner claims, is there any reason to avoid such a machine? Are combination machines generally inferior to single-purpose machines? Should I expect to get bad results or will I be frustrated by the conversion process?

Keep in mind I have a small shop so space saving is a big bonus for me.

I also prefer saving vintage tools rather than buying new. My favorite tool in my shop right now is a Craftsman radial arm saw I procured for $55. Not only is it more versatile than many of my other tools, it just looks so much cooler and reminds me of working on projects with my grandfather. It also reminds me that shop safety is not to be taken for granted!

Thanks for your answers in advance. Though I have read the LumberJocks forums for years, this is my first post. I apologize if I'm not following correct formatting, categorizing, or etiquette. Please let me know what corrections I can make so my posts are better in the future.

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#7 ·
I had an INCA, a Robland and a little Kity J/P
with a mortiser. The Robland also had a mortiser.

That general sort of machine, a combo jointer/planer
with the mortiser on the side is a common configuration
in Europe because space is at a premium there with
the old cramped buildings. They've only been
spottily sold in the USA for a range of reasons, particularly
Taiwan competition, but I've seen lots of similar
sorts of machines for sale on the secondhand market
over the years. Basically you get a wider than average
jointer table and a slot mortiser.

They aren't that complicated but the wiring can be
since in some the mortiser has to reverse to work so
you'd probably want to see it running.

I think it's a good bet because the paint is in good
shape and that indicates not-much wear.
 
#9 ·
I got the jointer. The next step will be getting 220v outlet installed in my shop. I am running everything on 110v now.

If I'm bothering to get a 220v circuit installed, do you think I should convert my Ridgid table saw to 220v? Any advantages to doing this?

Does anyone have recommendations on products or methods for removing surface rust and then treating the cleaned metal surfaces?
 
#11 ·
Its the sort of machine I would buy if available in Australia
The fact it has a horozontal boring capability is a plus, try buying a horiz Borer here too same story.

Rust removal …. well everybody has their preferences (and they are all here on LJs, and they all work ! so just search around read all the pros and cons then make a decision that suits you.

Being a 220 man and having worked at US bases with both voltages caused heaps of problems.

The same load on 220 V will mean a 50% (in theory) drop in the current.
 
#13 ·
What do you think might of using "Blaster" and a wire brush on a drill to get out the rust?

To clean the cutting head should I remove entirely and set aside blades?

Should I worry about greasing the chain that adjusts the planing table height?

Is it worth in eating in Boeshield?

How do I even approach the motor or other bearings?

Thanks for the guiding wisdom guys!
 
#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
I have a bottle of outboard motor crankcase oil
I use for planer feedworks and chains. It's
pretty viscous and doesn't drip off too much…

I use a wire cup brush on an angle grinder with
no lubricant to clean oxidation off iron. I get
a look that I like with minimal fuss this way and
no liquid gunk to mess with. The iron retains
a patina. Some people like that, some don't.

I wouldn't bother doing any more than wire
brushing the cutter head and changing out the
knives if they were dull, personally.
 
#15 ·
Have any of you owned a Scheppach in specific?
My brother and I owned that very model for about 25 years. Product support is quite good, if you can speak and understand Southern German dialects on the phone; I can't vouch for 21st Century methods of parts procurement.

I'm curious to learn how this machine has worked for you? We used ours hard, got a decent amount of work out of the planer, the jointer not so much. We have now happily moved on to bigger machines.