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Thank you Tony for standing up to the rules. It's a great piece but I was wondering how you could cut out drawers and put them back together without glue.
it is a beautiful piece along with the Lawyer one.
it is a beautiful piece along with the Lawyer one.
I feel self-conscious for raising this issue here again, for obvious reasons. However…
This glue thing is beginning to prove a real challenge. I was so impressed with Kaleo's beautiful stool that he entered. Like Karson, I was curious how on earth he had made it without using glue - but, alas, he had overlooked those restrictions.
I have to state that other than one entry, I suspect there are none currently in this category that meet the restriction of no glue, no mechanical fasteners. The possible exception is Jim's pyrography - but it doesn't have joinery, so I doubt that it can be eligible for the joinery comp.
I know that Martin doesn't intend to police this issue, but I'm wondering if, out of respect for those fine chaps that have taken the time to enter a project into the joinery category, it would save them from potential embarrassment to simple ask them the question - were you aware of the no glue-no mechanical fastener rule?
This glue thing is beginning to prove a real challenge. I was so impressed with Kaleo's beautiful stool that he entered. Like Karson, I was curious how on earth he had made it without using glue - but, alas, he had overlooked those restrictions.
I have to state that other than one entry, I suspect there are none currently in this category that meet the restriction of no glue, no mechanical fasteners. The possible exception is Jim's pyrography - but it doesn't have joinery, so I doubt that it can be eligible for the joinery comp.
I know that Martin doesn't intend to police this issue, but I'm wondering if, out of respect for those fine chaps that have taken the time to enter a project into the joinery category, it would save them from potential embarrassment to simple ask them the question - were you aware of the no glue-no mechanical fastener rule?
If it's possible a little nudge wouldn't hurt, or have them update their description to explain their construction.
I'll be putting the final touches on my entry and hope to enter it this weekend
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I'll be putting the final touches on my entry and hope to enter it this weekend
.I have been asked to consider withdrawing my entry in the joinery category of this competition for my entry "Smile You're On Wooden Camera", should it not meet the criteria regarding glue. So I need to inquire about the specifics of the requirements, and if my project does not meet the requirements, it shall be removed.
This project was entered to highlight the glueless joints, specifically the dovetailed joint in 8/4 cherry connecting the bridge/platform of the tripod which holds up the camera, and the wooden hinged door of the camera. There is a plethora of glue elsewhere in the project, the lense laminations, the tripod feet, the camera box parts, etc. So there you have it. Please advise whether this project falls within the guidelines of the requirements.
This project was entered to highlight the glueless joints, specifically the dovetailed joint in 8/4 cherry connecting the bridge/platform of the tripod which holds up the camera, and the wooden hinged door of the camera. There is a plethora of glue elsewhere in the project, the lense laminations, the tripod feet, the camera box parts, etc. So there you have it. Please advise whether this project falls within the guidelines of the requirements.
Lars, I would say that your disclosure is all that is required.
I think the process is one of self-assessment as to whether an entry meets the rules and spirit of the competition. No individual member is going to arbitrate what does and doesn't.
In the end, it will be the collective voting of LumberJocks that determines the outcome.
Good luck!
I think the process is one of self-assessment as to whether an entry meets the rules and spirit of the competition. No individual member is going to arbitrate what does and doesn't.
In the end, it will be the collective voting of LumberJocks that determines the outcome.
Good luck!
I appreciate your sentiment. Should the emphasis be more on the macro picture of zero glue/fasteners anywhere in the project, then I would suggest this project not be favored. Then again, the dovetails which are utilized in an uncharacteristic setting, and the wooden hinged camera door make this a good example of wood joinery, whether it gathers votes or not.
Best.
Best.
Hi Lars;
--well here we go again….
"As you can see above the entries in this category should follow this rule: "joining the wood without the use of glues, metal nails, metal screws or any type of mechanical fastener."
"the entries in the Wood Joinery should follow this rule: At least one joint and NO glue or mechanical fasteners used to create the joint(s)"
"Wood only joinery, means wood only, no glue or anything that isn't wood."
"Wood Joinery - Let's get technical - but without glues, metal nails, screws or other mechanical fasteners! Yes, this is the "WOOD JOINERY" challenge for all you LumberJocks out there.
"That tells me no glue anywhere, no screws anywhere, no nails anywhere. No other mechanical fasteners. I'm reading that as other mechanical like turnbuckles or metal, plastic parts. If the part is made from wood then OK."
If I am reading what has been already stated in the rules, the answer to your question is 'no glue'....'no glue any-where. Since glue is used to fasten two or more pieces of wood to-gether….that means there is a 'wood joint' there. The contest is about how to fasten two or more pieces of wood to-gether without 'glue' or any-other mechanical fastener besides the use of wood.
A 'plethora" of glue is still an 'overplus' of excess when it comes to 'wood joinery'....have I missed anything?
Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank
--well here we go again….
"As you can see above the entries in this category should follow this rule: "joining the wood without the use of glues, metal nails, metal screws or any type of mechanical fastener."
"the entries in the Wood Joinery should follow this rule: At least one joint and NO glue or mechanical fasteners used to create the joint(s)"
"Wood only joinery, means wood only, no glue or anything that isn't wood."
"Wood Joinery - Let's get technical - but without glues, metal nails, screws or other mechanical fasteners! Yes, this is the "WOOD JOINERY" challenge for all you LumberJocks out there.
"That tells me no glue anywhere, no screws anywhere, no nails anywhere. No other mechanical fasteners. I'm reading that as other mechanical like turnbuckles or metal, plastic parts. If the part is made from wood then OK."
If I am reading what has been already stated in the rules, the answer to your question is 'no glue'....'no glue any-where. Since glue is used to fasten two or more pieces of wood to-gether….that means there is a 'wood joint' there. The contest is about how to fasten two or more pieces of wood to-gether without 'glue' or any-other mechanical fastener besides the use of wood.
A 'plethora" of glue is still an 'overplus' of excess when it comes to 'wood joinery'....have I missed anything?
Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank
Hello everyone again;
--just thinking on this some more and so I thought I would add one more point on the above post. To my way of understanding 'wood joinery' and correct me if I'm wrong, when laminating one piece of wood to another….this is also called a 'face joint'....
Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank
--just thinking on this some more and so I thought I would add one more point on the above post. To my way of understanding 'wood joinery' and correct me if I'm wrong, when laminating one piece of wood to another….this is also called a 'face joint'....
Thank you.
GODSPEED,
Frank
No one has asked, but I'll bring it up. In my mind no plywood, because that is glued. The constructor of the project might not have glued it but it is a joint and it does have glue.
I don't want to be a stickler about this, but, I think that is what the description of the contest states.
So that means no veneered projects either, in my mind.
I don't want to be a stickler about this, but, I think that is what the description of the contest states.
So that means no veneered projects either, in my mind.
After the "no glue" being brought to my attention. I just wanted to be up front and honest about my submission. I have added the following statment to the bottom of my description on the quilt rack. "One note for Lumberjock Joinery Contest: The top and sides have been edge glued, along with the feet being glued to the sides. The through tenons, and the wedge tenons do not contain any glue or machanical fasteners". Good luck to everyone.
It is an honor to share this space with my fellow woodworking enthusiasts. A friend of mine introduced me to flickr.com, for the purpose of posting my wedding photos (only seen privately by family and friends). It was through their group linkage that i became aware of this site. When i opened it up, i must admit the first reason I joined was that it was a requirement of the summer contest. Now that I have been on for a week or two, I find that it is much more than that, particularly in the area of comraderie. It is because I value the comraderie element of this site, combined with having read over the plethora of discussion regarding the guidelines and requirements of the wood joinery entries, that I have decided to withdraw the entry "Smile You're on Wooden Camera" from the contest. In my opinion, considering the load it supports, the dovetail joint in the support is one of my woodworking highs. However, I go along with the purists in the conversations held here, and prefer not to be in the eye of any storm in this friendly neighborhood.
Quote Karson: "No one has asked, but I'll bring it up. In my mind no plywood, because that is glued. The constructor of the project might not have glued it but it is a joint and it does have glue.
I don't want to be a stickler about this, but, I think that is what the description of the contest states.
So that means no veneered projects either, in my mind."
Wow, Karson, I never even gave that a thought, but of course, you are correct. You had me worried for a while, but the solution was easy.
I don't want to be a stickler about this, but, I think that is what the description of the contest states.
So that means no veneered projects either, in my mind."
Wow, Karson, I never even gave that a thought, but of course, you are correct. You had me worried for a while, but the solution was easy.
lol one week of voting and then the Awards recipients will be announced. Oh the anticipation!
Just wanted to say thanks for the opportunity to compete. I just recently discovered LumberJocks and I entered my garden project because I just happend to have something that fit the category.
But I really got interested in the wood joinery competition. I know that I struggled with ideas and tried a few things before I built my project. I can see from the entries that we have a number of very clever and talented members.
Don't know what the next contest will be but I'd vote for something like this competition that will stretch not just our woodworking skills but our brains as well.
But I really got interested in the wood joinery competition. I know that I struggled with ideas and tried a few things before I built my project. I can see from the entries that we have a number of very clever and talented members.
Don't know what the next contest will be but I'd vote for something like this competition that will stretch not just our woodworking skills but our brains as well.
The voting hasn't even closed on this Challenge, and I'm already looking forward to the next Challenge!
Karson - sometimes anticipation is a good remedy for constipation, but working on the next challenge and fighting the deadline can be to. can't wait for the next one.
Hope we have more entries. Join the next one fellow LJ's
Hope we have more entries. Join the next one fellow LJ's
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