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Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
This is a great write up on this saw. I do need some help though please. I bought one from a wholesale company which seems to be a mistake. I tried the more complex blade alignment procedure due to the fact that the blade was a 1/4 of an inch off (so loosened both set screws and the other allens to try and shift)!! I was able to get it within 1/16 of an inch which is still to far off. Also it didn't come with a throat plate which should have been a red flag. I ordered the Delta zero clearance and it seems like the blade is too far to the left for the plate to even sit down in the slot. Any ideas if the whole motor could have shifted? I looks like only a few pieces have been ran through it and the whole machine looks brand new so I figured for 200 bucks I would chance it.
Thank you,
Dustin
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Thank you for the detailed write up!

I'm mostly responding because, as well written as this was, I still am not able to align my blade. When I first tried this method, I unscrewed the tube clamp screws too far. The tube dropped about 1/4" and jumped an equal amount further out of alignment. However, even with those screws too loose, there was no movement from the motor. In other words, I could not affect the alignment of the blade.

If anyone knows of any reason that could be happening, or has any ideas for anything to try next, I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise I have no choice but to try to find a shop to work on it.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Thank you for the detailed write up!

I m mostly responding because, as well written as this was, I still am not able to align my blade. When I first tried this method, I unscrewed the tube clamp screws too far. The tube dropped about 1/4" and jumped an equal amount further out of alignment. However, even with those screws too loose, there was no movement from the motor. In other words, I could not affect the alignment of the blade.

If anyone knows of any reason that could be happening, or has any ideas for anything to try next, I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise I have no choice but to try to find a shop to work on it.

- Scout989
I had the same problem with mine. Check the tracks where the saw moves when adjusting for angled cuts. If you remove the blade plate on the table it should be in the front of the opening. Mine was not straight and had to carefully use a punch and hammer to push it back on track. After that I could easily adjust the blade to 90 from the t track on the table. I hope this all makes sense.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
My new Delta 36-725 blade is visibly off by about 3/8 inch rom front to back of blade. Is this worth trying to align or just return as too far off?
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Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
My new Delta 36-725 blade is visibly off by about 3/8 inch rom front to back of blade. Is this worth trying to align or just return as too far off?
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Hard to say. The next one might be just like that. These are crappily assembled from the factory it seems.

How far have you gotten on the setup? If you've invested a lot in other setup already - rails an whatnot - then I'd say no, if you only just opened the box then maybe yes… You always could try to see if the store will let you open other boxes and see if any others look better, then return it if you find a good one.

However my experience was that the saw needs a ton of hard work to setup properly anyway.

If it wasn't such a bear to wrestle down into my basement and I hadn't gotten so far along in the setup, honestly I mighta returned mine too and gone another way… TO this day 2 of the side panels are not on the saw because the mount holes were so far off as to be unusable from the factory…
 

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Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Actually looking at the picture blade-vs-guard alignment - could the blade be not bolted down flat/true to the arbor? Does the blade wobble when you spin it or is it truly the angle?
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
My new Delta 36-725 blade is visibly off by about 3/8 inch rom front to back of blade. Is this worth trying to align or just return as too far off?
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Hard to say. The next one might be just like that. These are crappily assembled from the factory it seems.

How far have you gotten on the setup? If you ve invested a lot in other setup already - rails an whatnot - then I d say no, if you only just opened the box then maybe yes… You always could try to see if the store will let you open other boxes and see if any others look better, then return it if you find a good one.

However my experience was that the saw needs a ton of hard work to setup properly anyway.

If it wasn t such a bear to wrestle down into my basement and I hadn t gotten so far along in the setup, honestly I mighta returned mine too and gone another way… TO this day 2 of the side panels are not on the saw because the mount holes were so far off as to be unusable from the factory…

- blistersonmyfingers
GOOD UPDATE: I had already set it up completely before I really noticed how out of alignment it was. I went ahead and followed the steps at the top of this post and just shifted the front of the motor to the left and it came into alignment. So, I was very relieved to not have to try to get this back to the store and do another build. After lots of setup and tweaks, I think I got my blade aligned. Pretty stoked about this new table saw. Now I just need to figure out how to keep the rust from starting to show up (it's in my garage in a very humid climate).

So, thank you @blistersonmyfingers for your ideas. The blade did not wobble and cut very straight once I got it aligned. I didn't actually check the bolt on the arbor. It was truly off by very much.
 

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Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Glad you worked it out. Same happened to me. Honestly I'd rather have returned the saw for something with less fussing but I was SO FAR deep on the setup… ALL that work, hard to think about throwing it away to start over.

It's good and nice solid cast top etc. although if I had it to do over again I'd prog go another way… I've had to continually re-tweak alignments on it… (seem to have a little wobble in the blade the other day too… another thing to chase down..?) Better than a 'portable' saw for sure but man is it high maintenance…

RE: Humid - wax wax wax. Everything not painted I've waxed w/ butchers wax multiple times. That goes for all the large tools in my shop. Does a great job of protecting but also being nice and slick and easy to 'top up'.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Yeah, I've noticed that mine needs pretty constant adjustments. The worst of it is that the front guide for the fence is not straight all the way across, and so I have to square the fence to the blade every time I move the fence. I will definitely never buy another Delta product after all the frustration and shoddy manufacturing I've found with this saw.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
definitely never buy another Delta product after all the frustration and shoddy manufacturing I ve found with this saw
That's incredibly stupid. Of course you should buy Delta.
Vintage proper old school Delta is awesome.

Oh you mean this new stuff? Yeah ok yer right of course.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
So I'm thinking about picking this saw up but I have a concern about the way the blade is aligned. Forgive me if it's an obvious answer but not having seen the inner workings except through a couple of pictures leaves me with a lot left to the imagination. Please correct me if I'm wrong…

To clarify, it looks like to align the blade with the miter slot it is necessary to loosen the screws holding the motor guide posts to the table. You would then twist the motor to achieve the correct angle, then tighten the screws back down.

If I understand this correctly, the adjustment is being made by changing the angle of the guild post. Wouldn't that cause the angle of the blade (in relation to the miter slot) to change as the blade is raised or lowered?

Thanks for taking the time to help me out!
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
If I understand this correctly, the adjustment is being made by changing the angle of the guild post. Wouldn t that cause the angle of the blade (in relation to the miter slot) to change as the blade is raised or lowered?

Thanks for taking the time to help me out!

- Bikerdan
Well. I think I say exactly this above where I talk about potential for both slide / lateral, and twist / angle errors.

Since the saw is designed to go up/down independent of the angle setting, theoretically the angle is set by the angle-trunion (hand crank knob) independently. So as long as you set "square vertical" with that, it should stay square. If you make a miter alignment by tweaking the posts and find the vertical is out of whack, you just hand tweak the crank back and set vertical again.

But if the 2 posts are 'twisted' slightly (i.e angled in different directions), or, also I think the posts may just flex at the bottom of their travel… well then again that would re-introduce slide or angle error. Which of course you can manually take back out again w/ moving your fence and using the trunion, however it's always hard to try to true angle on shallow cuts with the blade lowered very far.

Again. Pretty good saw for the price. But not real precision in its setup / construction.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Thanks blistersonmyfingers. I agree with what you say, but I don't quite get the last bit about correcting with the fence and trunnion. If the twist causes the blade to go out of parallel with the miter, you would have to re-align the the blade with the miter. No amount of adjusting the fence or using the angle adjustment will compensate for that.

It would be interesting if someone could do a test to see if the angle of blade to the miter changes when the blade is fully up vs most of the way down. I'm sure for some, it wouldn't change because the posts are plumb, but for those that have had to tweak it quite a bit to get it aligned it would probably be noticable.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Sorry blistersonmyfingers. After carefully re-reading your post, it looks like you already answered all of my concerns. (should have concentrated harder the first time. :/ ) From what I read, you do indeed see a change in miter angle as the blade is raised or lowered.

Since you've had the saw for a while, let me ask you this… If you had the money and were to start over with a new saw, would you buy the Grizzly G0771Z or the Delta 36-725 again?
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
I'd have to 'start shopping over again' so can't say exactly I'd take the Grizzly… but Id look at spending a few more bux on something that isn't as fussy to setup and align. So "probably I wouldn't buy it again but don't hold me to it…"

Just from quick eyeball…Pros for Grizz:

I'd appreciate the full-box dust collection under the saw (now I have to regularly vacuum under the saw - I have a modified structurally reinforced pressed organic fiber enclosure (aka corrugated cardboard box) under the saw and that helps some but doesnt get everything… someday I may build a proper box to go under there but just hasn't been a priority…)
The suspension and lift/tilt mechanisms appear less prone to tricky business certainly.
Motor draws 2 more amps, theoretically more powerful but that's not always trustworthy.
The fence has T-slots out of the box, I had to build a fence-box accessory to add miter type slots.
Otherwise re: the fence, my Delta fence wasn't true-square (slightly trapezoidal in section) so again, maybe the Grizz is better.
Proper zero clearance inserts available (i.e. not 'sorta zero clearance') and at a reasonable price.

Tossup:
Grizzly look slightly smaller in stock config all around… could be a pro/con depending on the person & shop.
Grizz has bigger cast-iron table area, but looks like a lot smaller overall area if you count the stamped steel Delta wings.
The blade guard looks like it has more height clearance? But looks kinda cheap…

Cons for Grizz: Stock quick-roll feature is great on the Delta and I use it all the time as I'm not able to have a dedicated permanent space (or at least it'd be a PITA if I did). Of course you can easily add that to the Grizz too but its expense and your typical table saw roller kit is prob less of a quick and easy to use item than the Delta mechanism.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Thanks for taking the time to give your opinions about this. I've been going back and forth between these two saws for a few weeks now trying to decide what to do. For the moment I'm leaning toward Grizzly unless someone comes out and says that is a bad idea.
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
Don't want to derail this thread, but if anyone is interested, I went with the Grizzly. You can see my review here.

Grizzly G0771Z
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
I went about as far as I could go with my Porter Cable PC220 after 5 years of projects suitable for my shop. To do the built-ins I've been promising my wife for 10 years I needed a heavier, more precise saw so I bought the Delta from the blue box store. I read every positive and negative review I could find over the past 5 years on the Rigid from the orange box store and the Delta 36-725. For what I found, the positives of the Delta outweighed the positives of the Rigid, and the negatives of the Rigid outweighed the negatives of the Delta. I just spent my first weekend on the Delta doing setup and making some basics rips and crosscuts for some shop shelving. I spent about the same amount of time setting up blade alignment and fence adjustments on the 36-725 as I did several years ago on the PCB220. I also did the 240V conversion on the Delta motor and so far I am happy. To those who might freak out over a blade pretty far out of alignment, don't let that scare you off. My PC was off 1/4" and I got it within .006, my Delta was off .0145 and I got it within .003. Took about 30 minutes after a trip to HF to buy relatively inexpensive magnetic angle finder to check blade stops at 90 and 45 and a digital indicator to measure blade alignment. Worthwhile expenditures. I have the same fence alignment issue reported by some others - perfect alignment on the right rail but cocked out on the left rail. I'll break the left rail bolts looks and readjust and see what happens.

So far so good on this saw - thanks tin man for the detailed instructions..
 
Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
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Delta 36-725 Table Saw Blade Alignment Procedure

The Delta 36-725 table saw is a great tool designed and priced for the amateur woodworker and suitable for a professional shop where a less powerful motor is acceptable. I call saws like this Cadillac's for Harry Homeowner. The two most often asked questions about the Delta 36-725 table saw are the best blades to use and how to properly align the blade. Understand that I am certainly not a woodworking expert nor an authority on table saws or blades. I am a retired engineer and have been an amateur woodworker for many years. I wrote a review and a follow-up review of this saw and I have answered all questions to the best of my ability. These are my thoughts and my methods written so as to focus on the first time owners of table saws and those less experienced.

For reference, here are the links to the original and follow up reviews

Review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3822

Follow-up review
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881

Blades Selection

There seems to be a wide variety of opinions about the best saw blades. My approach is quite simple. I don't get into the debates. I am retired so I have outlived blades like my Forrests. I simply can't afford the price tag and the expense of sharpening. I'm in the less than $50 blade market now. I use them up and throw them away. I was using the Diablo blades for a long time but changed to the Irwin Marples series on the recommendation of Knotscott. The Diablo series is a fine blade but I feel I get finer cuts with little or no sanding and less chips thrown in my face with the Irwin Marples. Note that this is the Irwin Marples series and not simply the Irwin brand. I gave up on all Irwin blades years ago until Knotscott's review of the Marples urged me to give it a try. I use a 50T combo for general work and a 22T for ripping. I have an 80T on my miter saw. I confess that I do not always change to the ripping blade as often as I should but I get fine cuts with the 50T on 3/4 or thinner softwood stock. I'm retired. I get to be lazy when I want.

In my opinion Knotscott is the Guru, the Grand Poobah of saw blades and table saws. I know that writing in such a way that dummies like me can understand it is difficult and time consuming. Thanks for all you do Scott. His ABC's of Table Saws and Tips for Picking Saw Blades weigh heavily in my decisions and I encourage all to read them both. Here are the links.

ABC's Of Table Saws
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/8790-the-abc-s-of-table-saws

Tips for Picking Saw Blades
http://www.woodworkingchat.com/blogs/tips-for-picking-table-saw-blades/4919-tips-for-picking-saw-blades

The riving knife on the Delta 36-725 states that it is 0.087" (2.2 mm) and requires a 10" (254 mm) blade. It also says the blade must have a 0.100 (2.6 mm) kerf and a 0.073 (1.85 mm) body thickness. What the Devil does all that mean? Well, if you read Knotscott's writing on saw blades you'll understand it. But, even then the reality is you may still not have ALL that information when you go blade shopping. For example, some blades (like my Marples) only say it's a 254 mm blade. I have seen some with all the details but the ones I have only say 254 mm. What can I say? The blades work fine. I have friends using other blades with no other information and they work fine. Today's fad is thin kerf blades. Delta made a decision to have a middle of the road riving knife. It's slightly more than a really thin blade but works fine with standard and (what do I call it) slightly thin or just a bit skinny blades. If you want a Twiggy blade (look her up youngsters) then you can buy a thin kerf riving knife. If you're a newbie, I recommend you just run what you brung. Build your woodworking skills and don't worry about fads. You'll know when you think you've outgrown a standard blade. Hell, I'm still happy with the old style. But then again I'm old and shy away from new stuff especially thin blades that make me worry about things like blade flex.

Blade selection is a personal choice based on your skills, the type/thickness of the stock you're cutting and your financial capabilities. I can only recommend that you buy the best of what you can afford to own and maintain. I also suggest that you know the area you live in. Are there reasonably priced people that can sharpen your expensive saw blades? I'll add to that by asking if they can sharpen them correctly? The last of my Forrest blades went in the trash after the chainsaw sharpener in my area was done with them. Any new saw blade, including the one that came with the saw, will do the job. Get the best you can and keep them sharp and clean. If you're financially unable to buy finer expensive blades then buy cheaper. Keep them clean and they'll give good service for longer than you would expect.

Checking Blade Alignment

There are a lot of fancy gadgets on the market to measure blade alignment. These range from complete jigs/fixtures to dial gauges. I used a dial gauge to align the blade on this saw ONLY because I wrote the reviews and people wanted to talk thousandths of an inch. Frankly, I don't normally get into such things. I only need to know if the blade is close enough or out too much. If it's in it's in. If it's out I adjust and don't care what the measurement used to be. I want it less and I don't care how much less. I'm going to adjust and the "too much" measurement is going away. Table saws were around hundreds of years before dial gauges were. Now, I'm not bashing any tools or anyone. Do it the way you want - the way you feel confident and comfortable. But for those who don't own such fixtures or dial gauges - don't get your knickers in a twist. You can bring your blade into alignment without them. You can use a ruler, an adjustable square or even a stick. In is in and out is out. I'm going to describe my simple, old-fashioned way. There should be no problem for those with fixtures or dial gauges to interpret the methods accordingly.

Begin by raising the blade all the way up. Make sure the blade is perpendicular/square to the cast iron table.

Now you can use the miter gauge with a small ruler or piece of wood. Just make sure the miter gauge is square to the blade. Another way (my preference) is to use a combination square riding against the inside (blade side) of one of the slots in the cast iron table. Which slot is not important. The right slot is closer, but by convention the left slot is typically used. I think it is easier to hold something steady with my left hand and rotate the blade with my right so I use the left slot. Maybe a lefty will think otherwise.

Use a felt marker to mark a tooth on the forward edge of the blade. Which tooth does not matter but I have my preference. Teeth alternate left, right, and flat. I look for a flat tooth because it is easier for me to slip a feeler gauge (dollar bill) in without hanging on a sharp point. More on that later.

Move the ruler or stick on the miter gauge until it just touches the marked tooth. Don't push. It's a feel thing. Just touch the tooth. Hold the ruler/stick firmly and don't let it move. If you are using an adjustable square in a miter slot, then extend the ruler blade to just touch the tooth. Lock the blade in the square head. Double check that it did not move when you locked it down and still just touches the blade.

Rotate the blade so the same tooth is at the back of the saw. Slide the miter gauge/adjustable square to the back of the blade. Note that you may have to rotate the blade slightly to get past any angled teeth now in the front of the blade. Check that the same tooth touches the ruler/stick. If it does then your blade is in alignment.

The following assumes you are measuring from the left of the blade. If there is a gap then the blade is towed in. The fence is typically used to the right of the blade. Used here, towed in means the blade is not square and the back is angled towards the fence. If the marked tooth wants to push the ruler/stick away then the blade is not aligned and it is towed out (away from the fence). If this happens then rotate the tooth back to the front and measure the gap there.

It is important to understand what happens when a blade is not aligned. We'll talk about how much is too much in a moment. Simply put, the front of the blade will begin a cut and start a kerf but the angled back of the blade will nibble away at one side or the other of the kerf (slot cut in the wood). Within reason this is not a dangerous situation. The nibbling will cause some extra saw marks that may increase the need for sanding. This can become dangerous if the angle of the blade is too much - especially if it is towed in towards the fence. This can cause the wood to bind and the trailing teeth can bite the wood and throw it back at you. I call this a George Washington - where you get wood-in-teeth. A few things figure into whether the trailing teeth (rotating upwards) will bite into the wood. The tooth count, angle of the teeth, the feed rate, etc. The focus is that there is a point where an improperly aligned blade can be dangerous. Slightly out of alignment is typically not a dangerous situation. Yes, there are factors that can kick the wood back at you that have nothing to do with blade alignment. A twist in the grain or feeding the stock too fast are a couple of examples. But a poorly aligned blade is a built in hazard that can and should be corrected.

Now, how much is too much? Delta does not recommend performing a blade alignment unless the blade is more than 10-thousandths out. I can't argue with the safety factor here. I don't personally operate my saw if it is out that much. Maybe not for safety but for a finer finished cut. Remember, I'm retired and get to be lazy. I don't like sanding any more than I have to and the nibbling rear teeth will leave more saw marks. I use a dollar bill as a feeler gauge. I was taught that years ago and it has always worked well for me. For the "I speak in thousandths" fans out there, a dollar bill is about 4-thousandths of an inch thick. If the dollar bill passes through the gap between the ruler/stick then I align the blade. If it does not pass then the blade is less than 4-thousandths out and I leave it alone. You can use feeler gauges to measure the exact width of the gap if you wish. Tow in - measure the gap at the rear. Tow out - measure at the front. You can also make note of the measurement on the ruler touching the tooth and extend it through the gap to touch the tooth. The difference is the width of the gap.

When I wrote the reviews of this saw I felt a certain ownership of the questions asked. That meant that I did more to this saw, including trying different methods than I normally would. This includes using a dial gauge and developing my own blade alignment method. My saw's blade alignment is dead on zero. I've intentionally knocked it out several times and realigned it using different methods. I am confident that the blade can be brought to zero. It's just a question of "does it have to be zero?" My personal opinion is NO it does not have to be zero. Mine is zero only because of my testing and proving my alignment method to myself. Otherwise anything less than 4-thousandths would have been good enough for me - without knowing the actual measurement. I also do not think that more than 4-thousandths is too much. The dollar bill gage is simply what I was taught by my grandfather who built cabinets for new homes - back when they didn't come from a big box store. I don't perceive a safety issue with Delta's recommendation to not align the blade if it is less than 10-thousandths out. I just don't like sanding so I keep mine at 4-thousandths or less.

Blade Alignment Comments

This process is the method I use to align the blade on the Delta 36-725 table saw. It is simple and straightforward if the methods are followed. I cannot emphasize enough that you must know the difference between just cracking screws/bolts loose and loosening them 2, 3 or more turns. Loosening the screws too much can result in the motor assembly unexpectedly dropping. This can cause damage to the saw and/or injury to you. Have patience. Follow the steps. Do no more than is necessary for your purposes. Enjoy your saw and work safely.

Of course I have to add my disclaimer. I'm an amateur. This is the way I do it. You accept all responsibility and risk if you follow this procedure.

For those of you old school types out there, the trunnions can be used to adjust the blade alignment if the blade is out only a couple of thousandths of an inch but this method is simpler. 6-thousandths or less seems to be the norm for this saw. Most woodworkers would not bother to adjust the blade with this variance. However, manufacturing variances do occur and you can experience more blade deviation that does mandate adjustment.

Delta has published a set of Power Point slides that show how to adjust the blade alignment using only the rearmost motor riser tube clamps.

The Power Point slides can be found at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx

For those who have trouble viewing the slides, a free Power Point viewer is available from Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6

There are some points that need to be addressed about the Delta slides/procedure. Firstly, Delta is not recommending that any alignment be done unless the blade is out more than 10-thousandths of an inch. That is 1/100 of an inch. For the measuring tape impaired, that is less than 1/64 of an inch (16-thousandths). 1/64 of an inch is one half the little tick mark on the tape (1/32). Sorry for the fun I'm having but so many have asked me for help cuz the blade is out "1/16 of an inch". Then they get their calculator and tell me that's 63-thousandths. When we get into how he measured the guy tells me that it is ½ of the little tick mark and insists that 1/16 is one half of 1/32. We were all newbies once and we do all understand. But that does not mean we can't have a laugh.

Personally, I feel that 10-thousandths is not dangerous and exceeds the capabilities of most newbies anyway. Yes, it leaves a minor bit more saw marks but does not pose a serious kickback hazard. My point is not to raise a debate over the minimum allowable blade alignment. My only point is to advise Newbies to think about if they really feel they have to adjust the blade. Don't obsess over what others insist on. You will do over time and you will learn over time. Concentrate on building your personal skills and don't get wrapped up in debates. Most experienced saw owners would find 10-thousandths to exceed what they are willing to live with. Again, not a debate - just a thought for newbies.

Back to Delta. Why would Delta recommend such a thing? I cannot be sure, of course, but my experiences make me feel that they are simply protecting themselves. Even frivolous lawsuits cost big bucks. I have helped many people put their saws back together because they read a short blog somewhere on the Internet and charged ahead. Oops! They dropped the motor because they didn't know what the screws were and loosened them too much. Yes my writings can be wordy but I try to take the time to explain. After all, I'm not writing for those who already know. In all but one dropped motor case, each one of them blamed the stupid saw. Yep, the saw is stupid. It does not give one thought about what you do. People like this have made Delta, and people like me, leery about how much help to give - hence my disclaimer about not being responsible for anything at all. Look in the mirror for someone to blame if you drop the motor.

The next thing to note about the Delta procedure is that it is only half - the back half - of the alignment capabilities of this saw. You can get your saw well within 10-thousandths of an inch using the Delta method. But why only the back half? Because the safety set screw is on the front riser tube. This is where you can drop the motor if you are not careful. Delta is simply protecting themselves (my opinion). I can't say that I blame them in today's world. They can't give an amateur class disclaimer.

Blade Alignment Procedure

Make sure the power switch is in the off position and unplug the saw.

Lower the saw motor at least halfway down. This makes it easier to see and work in the tight spaces.

Remove the back panel of the saw.

You may loosen the wing nut on the dust chute and lower it if you wish. I personally don't find it to be in the way.

Note that raising and lowering the motor will not affect your adjustments unless you really loosen the screws and have everything free swinging. Again, this is dangerous. Just crack them loose. They will be snug enough to raise and lower the motor without issue.

Look at the rear motor riser tube. That's the silver tube the motor rides up and down on. Follow the tube up towards the table and see the two hex screws that lock the tube in the clamping collar. Using the 3/16-inch hex wrench that came with the saw (the one you used for the rails, etc.) crack both screws loose.

Now raise the motor up and bump or twist it in the direction you want it to go in order to zero it in. It may be easier for you to bump/twist the motor if it is lowered about half way. Do so if it works for you. Then raise it up to check the alignment.

Note that you should take care not to pull down on the motor when you twist. Don't add extra weight or extra forces in directions you don't want to go. Focus on just twisting/bumping horizontally.

Let's face it, you don't have a calibrated bump/twist tool at the end of your arm. It's a bit of trial and error to get the blade dialed in, especially the first time you do it. Have patience and keep tweaking until the blade alignment is satisfactory to you. Bump, check, bump, check. You'll get it. Or, you'll get what the saw is capable of with the procedure so far.

Lower the motor and retighten the clamping screws by snugging from one to the other until they are both tight. Do not tighten one completely and then the other. This can throw your alignment off a bit.

Up to this point, there are no differences from the Delta procedure. Most saws can be dialed in using only the rear riser tube clamp. I encourage you to try this first, as there is no danger of dropping the motor. This is all the adjustment you need unless your blade is really out of alignment. If you just can't get the blade aligned and need more adjustment then continue on. Remember my amateur status disclaimer. You are responsible and no one else if you continue on.

Look again at the rear riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Notice that there is a screw hole in the middle of the collar but no screw in it. If you look at the Delta Power Point slides you may note that this screw hole is not visible. It is always hidden (intentionally or unintentionally) by the motor position or text boxes.

Now look at the front riser tube and follow it up to the locking collar. Everything is the same as the rear EXCEPT that there is a screw in the hole centered in the collar. This is a safety set screw. It seats in a groove in the front riser tube and keeps the motor from dropping. Call this the danger screw. The groove in the tube is shallow. You WILL drop the motor if you loosen this screw too much or loosen the collar clamping screws too much.

Lower the motor about halfway down. Crack the rear then the front riser tube clamp screws loose. Now crack the safety set screw loose. Remember that this screw holds the motor. Just crack it loose.

Now bump/twist the motor in the direction you want it to go. Raise the motor and check the alignment. Check, bump, check until the blade is aligned.

You can throw your alignment off by tightening one screw completely at a time. Retighten the collar clamping screws by snugging from one to the other, front to back, until all four are tight. It's cramped in there. Make sure you don't knock your motor/blade out of alignment with your arm. Now retighten the safety set screw.

Now stop holding your breath. Sometimes you get lucky and the blade lines right up. Sometimes you spend the better part of an hour. As many times as I've done this I can give the motor a twist and a love tap and bring it right in. I've read so many short statements (with no explanations or cautions) from people who claim to align the blade in 5 minutes. Bull. They must have gotten very lucky on one bump and only be talking about the alignment. They must be leaving out the back panel, going from back to front to raise/lower the blade, etc. Figure on an hour and be happy when it is less.

Sit back and have a beer. Everything is harder the first time. Think about how easy it will be if you have to do it again. Or better, if your buddy buys a saw and you just zip through it and get to show off.
I need to get by blade aligned with the miter slot. Delta has nothing in the instructions I got with the saw, so I started searching the internet and found LumberJocks. There were great reviews of the 36-725 saw and the was a link to a PowerPoint presentation from Delta. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29106827/Delta%20Contractors%20Saw%2036-725%20Blade%20Alignment.pptx but the link doesn't work. is there some other way I can get it. Hopefully it would be helpful to get it correct. I also think my blade sits to close to the left side of the throat plate. It isn't centered in the slot. It has only an 1/8" gap on the left side. Can someone help me out?
 
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