[distrbd]

I'm new to this site and don't know the history of each member here so please don't think I'm taking sides here,I have read sawsucker's comments about the use of SCMS vs table saw ,I for one can not find a more useful tool in my shop than my miter saw for cross cuts.
I have tried using my table saw for cross cuts but 9 out of 10 I keep going to my scms,its always plugged in,ready ,the motor noise stops right after the cut is done,takes 2 second to cut ,specially long but narrow pieces up to 8" x 1"x 8', oppose to pulling the big heavy saw away from the wall, put on the heavy sled on,clear the area for the long stock and making sure it will not hit anything during the cut,adding roller stands for support,etc.
for wider stock I undoubtedly use TS but after all since I'm not a furniture maker so may be that's the reason behind my frequent use of scms over the table saw.

 

[History]

Ken, furniture building should really be no different, trim carpentry is finish work. I also believe that it's easier to line the cut up with the blade on a miter saw then it is with a table saw, which in my opinion produces a more accurate cut.

 

[Cosmicsniper]

"Ken, furniture building should really be no different, trim carpentry is finish work. I also believe that it's easier to line the cut up with the blade on a miter saw then it is with a table saw, which in my opinion produces a more accurate cut."

Uh, no. Trim carpentry is baseboards and moldings, maybe a cabinet or two. Finish carpentry is finish carpentry.

Caulk is the friend of trim carpenters.

 

[History]

What does caulking have to do with crosscuts, or mitered joints ? Unless your putting up painted trim, you shouldn't need any on the walls unless you don't know what your doing. Caulking is the painters job, not the trim carpenters.

 

[Woodmaster1]

I used an older craftsman for twenty years and got by ok. I gave it away when I could afford to by a new Unisaw 5hp. I have not missed the old saw at all. If I had not save enough for the new unisaw the old craftsman would still get the job done.

 

[SamuraiSaw]

"Ken, furniture building should really be no different, trim carpentry is finish work. I also believe that it's easier to line the cut up with the blade on a miter saw then it is with a table saw, which in my opinion produces a more accurate cut."

"What does caulking have to do with crosscuts, or mitered joints ? Unless your putting up painted trim, you shouldn't need any on the walls unless you don't know what your doing. Caulking is the painters job, not the trim carpenters"

ROFL…...........that's the official "chuckie-chuckle" of the day. Now I understand why you couldn't make in the business.

Ken, in your example you're using the proper tool for the job. Nobody (except chuckie) would use a sledge hammer to set a 4d finish nail. Cutting a piece of trim 7' 11 3/4" with a table saw is the same thing. And using a miter saw for furniture work isn't the worst way to work, but it certainly isn't the best. We have a tenant finish-out scheduled for this spring. My SCMS will see a lot of use during that project, but not for the cabinetry that's going in the space. The fine details will be done, in the shop, using the right tools for the job.

Again, thanks for the chuckle chuckie…..........my sides will hurt all afternoon!

 

[Cosmicsniper]

@SawSucker: Your argument was that trim carpenters use the CMS and we should follow their lead. You also just said to Ken that "trim carpentry is finish work." I think it's safe to say that you ASSUME there is some inherent accuracy in a CMS that makes them useful to us.

I disagreed, saying that not only do those tools lack accuracy when compared to most of our table saws, but also that we, even as hobbyists, might need a level of accuracy that trim carpenters don't need.

Trim carpenters don't use a CMS because of accuracy. They use it because it's portable and has detents for the compound cuts they might need. It's a good, fast tool for on-site jobs.

The sheer fact that you NEED to caulk trim and moldings should indicate to you that accuracy is not important. People don't caulk and paint baseboards and crown molding because they want to…they do so because they NEED to.

 

[oldnovice]

My 45+ year old Craftsman TS is all I have really needed for … well I guess it must be 45+ years.

How good a TS cuts is not all in the TS, part of it is the setup, the blade, and the operator. Any tool, TS or other, improperly setup, dull cutting edges, and in the hands of a novice will typically reap poor results.

Would I like a Unisaw or Hammer or some other beautiful machine, well of course I would, and what fool wouldn't? But I don't have the room and/or cash for a machines of those caliber.

I do have a Delta CMS and use it when I am cross cutting anything over 8' long (trim etc.) because it is easier to maneuver the wood than move the TS into position for clearance to cut that length. And, I can move the CMS out to the driveway and just blow the sawdust away!

 

[History]

At this point I could really give a rats behind what some of you delusional rookies use. I try and give the best advise that I know based on my years of experiences, and this is the crap I get. I give up. Why MsDebbie and Martin continue to let SamuraiSaw stay here is beyond me, either they are asleep at the wheel, or are REALLY hardup for members. Good luck, most of you aren't worth the aggrevation.

 

[Cosmicsniper]

Why do you do this in ever thread you participate in, SawSucker?

If you want to use a CMS to do cross-cuts, then that's great. But use some data to support your conclusions. The fact that Joe Blow Pro trim dude uses a CMS means very little to guys like us. Different applications entirely.

If you can voice an argument for the virtue of using a CMS for crosscutting when building boxes and picture frames, then please do so. Alternatively, if you can teach me how to use my own CMS to make it more consistent from cut to cut, then it would be much appreciated. Until then, I will use my very accurate TS.

 

[oldnovice]

+1 Comicsniper why is he allowed to continue messing up our site?

 

[HorizontalMike]

Sawsucker, where the HELL are YOUR Projects, blogs, workshop and such , that YOU bitch about missing from other's LJ's membership????

SAWSUCKER: "...Sam, all you do is flap your gums here, you have not shown ANYTHING that you have supposedly done in the two months that you've been here. NOTHING !..."

Sawsucker, it is YOU who are the ZERO. Observe your OWN profile:

SawSucker, YOU are nothing but ZEROs except for your bitching and moaning. Please explain… IN DETAIL… We ALL want to know the details.

 

[DIYaholic]

NO Projects
NO Workshop
NO Blogs
NO Reviews
NO BUDDIES for a nobody!!!

 

[MrHart]

wow…nice thread.

Thanks for everyone's advice here, I have taken away some good useful information, and I do appreciate it. This was my first thread here at LJ and so many of you do such excellant work and have so much knowledge, that I really value your opinions.
On the other hand, I'm sorry it's created an issue.

Again, thanks everyone for the help.

 

[knotscott]

Your post didn't create the issue MrHart….unfortunately, it seems to follow one member in particular wherever he goes, and others get aggravated after a while. Perhaps if we all blocked him, he'd have no posts left to read or respond to. Please don't let it stop you from posting other questions.

 

[HorizontalMike]

Sorry MrHart, I tend yell "Tripe!" when tripe is served. FWIW, I also prefer to directly address some issues/sphincters, as in post #52…

Back on-topic, I lived most of my life getting by with a hammer, a chisel/screwdriver, and a pair of channel-locks. It wasn't until much later in life that I actually "discovered" just how useful "GOOD" tools and machines were to own and operate. Just a thought. Your mileage may vary… ;-)

 

[Cosmicsniper]

It's a good question, MrHart, and sorry that we got a little askew from the original question.

I think you'll find that the majority of woodworkers find that the table saw is the MVP of a shop, so it's stands to reason that you shouldn't skimp on it. A minority of woodworkers might feel a certain way about a CMS or a bandsaw, which doesn't make them wrong…not at all. It's just that most people have regrets about a table saw purchase when they first enter the hobby, so many of us warn new LJs to go with something you will not soon outgrow. Such a table saw will also prove to be much safer.

 

[oldnovice]

+1 on what knotscott, Mike, and Jay wrote! Your question was worthwhile and you got some reasonable replies along with some ridiculous comments.

Lumberjocks are like wood as some are rough cut and full of splinters while others are as smooth as a finely sanded table top so you will get the good, the bad, and the ugly in many posts!

 

[History]

Try to look a little harder Mike. As for the rest of ya, delusional Cabinet saw pushers comes to mind.

 

[SamuraiSaw]

MrHart,

As you can see we have one individual that has a tendency to hijack and screw up just about every post he can find. It is easy to see why he's been banned from every board around including this one, he's managed to worm his way back in somehow. He'll be back in a while to blame everyone else for his troubles, he is a victim after all.

There is a lot to learn from the folks here (with one notable exception) and if you disregard ol' chuckie you can pick up some good advice.