[TopamaxSurvivor]

Its cool Topa, if ya want to believe Aliens did some stuff, makes no difference to me, we are all entitled to our opinion.
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Also, are you not assuming that those huge blocks were carried, levered or otherwise manually moved, when it might be possible that they were moved by frequency, ie., sound/vibration - just as it is possible to split hydrogen from oxygen using the correct resonant frequency.

Below, a photo of water being affected by sound frequency. It should be flowing as water from a tap, in a straight line downward.

Ever seen what 1,700,000 hz frequency can do to water?

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

That type of technology was probably used alright. There should be some evidence of the equipment if it was used by ancient man 1500 years ago. They didn't even read or write at Puma Punku. If the first mass extinction is unknown a billion years ago all the archeological evidence may be gone. India has an alien war in its traditions. Those armies may have been perceived as aliens by our early ancestors even though they were earth's original civilization. ******************** Sapiens isn't going to create those levels of technology and master the ability to create another Puma Punku.

Many documentaries generate more questions than answers and that one is listed as sci-fi as well as documentary. Dr. Josef Allen Hynek spent 20 years trying to debunk UFOs for the Air Force. At the end of Project Blue Book in the early 60s, he concluded there is evidence they exist.

Dr. Jeff Meldrum, Professor of Anatomy & Anthropology at Idaho State University says the detailed casts of bigfoot tracks show the qualities of genuine footprints of a heavy bipod. Something that would be nearly impossible to counterfeit.

An accomplished writer in her home country of Sweden, Barbro Karlén published her first book when she was only 12 years old. As a young child, she began having memories of a past life, which lead her to believe that her name was Anne Frank. Her parents are Christian. Her parents had never heard of The Diary of Anne Frank at that time. Through her memory alone, led her parents to the preserved hiding place of Anne and her family. She pointed out landmarks and features of the house, which the curator confirmed, including a blank wall on which photographs were missing. There are thousands of cases of 2 to 5-year-olds who have memories that indicate they are reincarnated. How do 2 to 5-year-olds study and remember convincing data without their parents' knowledge or assistance?

The unexplainable mysteries abound! ;-))

The sea level rising should get us another 120 meters. The last time there was 425 ppm carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, there were trees growing on the South Pole. 60% of mammals are already gone since 1970. 70% of the salmon catch of Japan has evaporated since 1970 too. The last 20 years have seen the evaporation of 40% of the Alaskan fishery. In the last few years, Starfish are evaporating from the Pacific. Warmer temps have shortened the growing season in America's Bread Basket by a day ripening faster. That has reduced yields by as much as 10% in some cases.

It has taken 200 million years for the human brain to develop the knowledge and intelligence to provide the technology we have today. It has taken less than 2 million hours to assure we suffer earth's 6th mass extinction event that is well underway. As evolution continues, I believe psychological studies will prove ******************** Sapiens has evolved into ******************** Stultus. Civilization's suicide will be completed in less than 200 years, maybe just 100. The wars over disappearing resources will most likely end civilization a few years early in a Nuclear Winter.

 

[wildwoodbybrianjohns]

Me using the phrase - "makes no difference to me," was rude and I apologize for that. I like having discussions with Topa.

I dont believe I am preaching here, what I am doing is offering alternative viewpoints on a number of subjects. As Topa and WBBN are doing as well. Topa makes some legit and interesting points in his last post.

I understand that the documentary I linked above may also be disinformation, as WBBN pointed out. The guys who specialize is this type thing are very good at what they do.

I am not saying I am right about any of these subjects, nor am I arguing that it is impossible for Aliens to exist. I am open to all information and ideas.

Topa states above that it has taken 200 million years for the human brain to develope. How do we KNOW this? Fact is, we dont. It is an estimate, a theory. Just as is the age of the Universe a guess - the farther out we look, the older the Universe gets, to the point currently, where we have indentified star systems that are older than the Universe. We are also told that bears, otters and other small land mammals evolved into seals, sea lions, and walruses. If people want to believe that, fine. Others wont, also fine.

Has everyone forgotten the ART of Debate?

One side offers information, then the other has its turn, neither side changes their opinion, usually, but in the process, others may interpret all the information and use it to form their own opinion, or not.

Hyneck, working for the Air Force, who is developing advanced technology that is Above Top Secret, after 20 years, finds that Aliens exist - which is exactly what the Air Force Pysop is designed to do. Is it not possible that one branch of the Air Force or Navy is working on tech that the rest of the Air Force is unaware of? So you have Navy interceptors chasing down Air Force anti-gravity propulsion systems - plausible, at least.

Some questions that occured to me, taking as the premise that Aliens built the mysterious megalithic structures we find all over the globe:

These so-called Aliens travel in metallic or metalic composite craft, which seem to utilize anti-gravity propulsion. They either originated here or came here in these craft. Then, they build massive structures in stone, which would have taken some time, days, weeks, months, years. Yet, they leave no trace of their presence at the construction sites? Wouldnt one of them have left behind his lunchbox, or dropped a coin from Sirius, misplaced a tool, or something? This is the same question that arrises if we theorize that an ancient advanced civilization of Earth built these structures. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.

If these aliens had the technology to extract and refine metals for production of craft, why didnt they build structures in metals? Is stone more durable and long-lasting than metal?

Or, did they first build these structures in stone, and only later developed metal extraction techniques, and later still utilize metals in the fabrication of craft?

If these Aliens once populated certain areas of earth, why dont they anymore?

What did populate Earth and still does - is Humans.

But we neednt look to Aliens to explain the Craft phenomena>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[Peteybadboy]

Pottz,

Very sorry for your loss. I whish you luck with the Urn. Difficult thing to do I imagine.

Very interesting discussion last night. No mention of Easter Island. How did they do that?

Have a great day

 

[corelz125]

Sorry for your loss Pottz. I didn't see it as preaching you guys are just having a discussion. DW Huskies have a lot to say sometimes.

 

[woodbutcherbynight]

Guys great discussion on this off the chains topic. Brian alot of good stuff in your last post. Will get more in depth this evening. Hate typing long replies on my phone. LOL

I do find it odd we have yet to find even a lunchbox left.

 

[pottz]

well guys im not gonna say much tonight it s been a very hard day for me,started out with the news that my long term coworker and best friend of 38 years passed away after a long battle with bone cancer.it s sad too lose him but glad he is no longer in pain.ive been asked too create his burial urn just as i did for his daughter several years ago,it will be a sad and painful project but one from the heart that im honored too do.goodnight boys,we ll talk tomorrow.peace.

- pottz

Most sincere condolences pottz. Seems like it is that time of life. Most of my close friends have abandoned me
;-(

I came on early to read you a bedtime story and tuck you in, but you are already gone to bed. Oh, well, sleep tight.

- TopamaxSurvivor

thanks bob.

 

[pottz]

well guys im not gonna say much tonight it s been a very hard day for me,started out with the news that my long term coworker and best friend of 38 years passed away after a long battle with bone cancer.it s sad too lose him but glad he is no longer in pain.ive been asked too create his burial urn just as i did for his daughter several years ago,it will be a sad and painful project but one from the heart that im honored too do.goodnight boys,we ll talk tomorrow.peace.

- pottz

My condolences, always tough losing someone close. Especially old friends.

- woodbutcherbynight

yeah never easy,thats the problem when you live to be very old all your friends have passed away,sometimes even family.

 

[pottz]

Pottz,

Very sorry for your loss. I whish you luck with the Urn. Difficult thing to do I imagine.

Very interesting discussion last night. No mention of Easter Island. How did they do that?

Have a great day

- Peteybadboy

thanks petey,yeah urns are no fun this wont be my first but i hope it's my last,we'll see.

 

[Desert_Woodworker]

I do find it odd we have yet to find even a lunchbox left.

- woodbutcherbynight

+1 yet one must seek elsewhere when there are no clues…other ways to think about finding "leftovers"

"When it comes to direct evidence of an industrial civilization-things like cities, factories, and roads-the geologic record doesn't go back past what's called the Quaternary period 2.6 million years ago. For example, the oldest large-scale stretch of ancient surface lies in the Negev Desert. It's "just" 1.8 million years old-older surfaces are mostly visible in cross-section via something like a cliff face or rock cuts. Go back much further than the Quaternary, and everything has been turned over and crushed to dust."

Was There a Civilization on Earth Before Humans?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/

 

[wildwoodbybrianjohns]

Some may have gotten the impression that I was picking on Topa. I was not, and in fact, we have had discussions like this before via PM´s. Topa is a cool customer and never loses his temper, he puts forth his side, I put forth mine, we consider each others point of view, and then, sometimes we agree, and other mtimes we agree to disagree.

What DW posts above is exactly what I am after - he saw some information, then took the initiative, investigated, and expanded on it - and that, folks, is all I ever aim to do - inspire.

Expanding on DW´s post, rather than considering "A Previous Civilization," might we not consider - Previous Civilizations? As in, a Cycle that repeats, like your heartbeat.

And really, it is like WBBN wrote earlier - all that we can really KNOW is what we experience first hand, and even then we may be mistaken.

Some scientists will tell you that we are living in a computer simulation; some will speak of the Multiverse; some will speak of the Big Bang; some speak of many dimensions though we only experience this one; some speak of dark energy and dark matter; some speak of folded space and time travel - but it is all theory, ie., guesswork.

Even what we are taught about the atom, the electron, the Dielectric and Gravity may be entirely false.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

 

[corelz125]

A true Story from an Irish Sunday School Teacher. I was testing the children in my Dublin Sunday school class to see if they understood the concept of getting to heaven.

I asked them, ' If I sold my house and my car, had a big garage sale and gave all my money to the church, would that get me into heaven?' 'NO!' the children answered.
'If I cleaned the church every day, mowed the garden, and kept everything tidy, would that get me into heaven?' Again, the answer was 'NO!'
'If I gave sweets to all the children, and loved my husband, would that get me into heaven?'Again, they all answered 'NO!'

I was just bursting with pride for them. I continued, 'Then how can I get into heaven?'
A little boy shouted out: 'YUV GOTTA BE DEAD!'
It's a curious race, the Irish. Brings a tear to the eye, doesn't it? eh?

 

[Desert_Woodworker]

+1 Reminds me of a saying that I like- People like the idea of going to heaven but don't want to die to get there…

 

[Desert_Woodworker]

Brian I enjoy your posts. I was going to take issue with the Gravity statement- "Even what we are taught about the atom, the electron, the Dielectric and Gravity may be entirely false." Well this young whippersnapper is wrong about this based on my education… yet I am smart enough to fact check myself- therefore I did my homework and what do you know I came across this 2020 science journal.
"There are four fundamental forces in the physical world: electromagnetism, strong force, weak force, and gravity. Gravity is the only force still unexplainable at the quantum level."
https://phys.org/news/2020-01-gravity-wrong.html

"The notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun had been proposed as early as the 3rd century BC by Aristarchus of Samos. It was not until the 16th century that a mathematical model of a heliocentric system was presented, by the Renaissance mathematician, astronomer, and Catholic cleric Nicolaus Copernicus"

Enjoy the freedom of speech for as you know Brian you are living in Spain- land of the Spanish inquisition…

 

[Desert_Woodworker]

I like to cook most of my meals. I enjoy egg fried rice, I found this youtube vid on how to make egg fried rice. Just do what he does and +1

5 Minute Easy Fried Rice

 

[TopamaxSurvivor]

Me using the phrase - "makes no difference to me," was rude and I apologize for that. I like having discussions with Topa.

I dont believe I am preaching here, what I am doing is offering alternative viewpoints on a number of subjects. As Topa and WBBN are doing as well. Topa makes some legit and interesting points in his last post.

I understand that the documentary I linked above may also be disinformation, as WBBN pointed out. The guys who specialize is this type thing are very good at what they do.

I didn't take it as preaching.

I am not saying I am right about any of these subjects, nor am I arguing that it is impossible for Aliens to exist. I am open to all information and ideas.

Topa states above that it has taken 200 million years for the human brain to develope. How do we KNOW this? Fact is, we dont. It is an estimate, a theory. Just as is the age of the Universe a guess - the farther out we look, the older the Universe gets, to the point currently, where we have indentified star systems that are older than the Universe. We are also told that bears, otters and other small land mammals evolved into seals, sea lions, and walruses. If people want to believe that, fine. Others wont, also fine.

200 million years ago is when dinosaurs went extinct and mammals started. It is in the fossil and layer evidence.

Has everyone forgotten the ART of Debate?

One side offers information, then the other has its turn, neither side changes their opinion, usually, but in the process, others may interpret all the information and use it to form their own opinion, or not.

Hyneck, working for the Air Force, who is developing advanced technology that is Above Top Secret, after 20 years, finds that Aliens exist - which is exactly what the Air Force Pysop is designed to do. Is it not possible that one branch of the Air Force or Navy is working on tech that the rest of the Air Force is unaware of? So you have Navy interceptors chasing down Air Force anti-gravity propulsion systems - plausible, at least.

A couple of days after Roswell in 1947, the decision to cover up was made. They still support cover up.

Some questions that occured to me, taking as the premise that Aliens built the mysterious megalithic structures we find all over the globe:

These so-called Aliens travel in metallic or metalic composite craft, which seem to utilize anti-gravity propulsion. They either originated here or came here in these craft. Then, they build massive structures in stone, which would have taken some time, days, weeks, months, years. Yet, they leave no trace of their presence at the construction sites? Wouldnt one of them have left behind his lunchbox, or dropped a coin from Sirius, misplaced a tool, or something? This is the same question that arrises if we theorize that an ancient advanced civilization of Earth built these structures. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.

The megastructures were most likely built to support their slave labor, us. Many consistencies are found among the various civilizations around the world long before they were aware of one another. Pyramids are one and their function is not really known.

If these aliens had the technology to extract and refine metals for production of craft, why didn't they build structures in metals? Is stone more durable and long-lasting than metal?

There was a fellow, name escapes me now, who picked up parts at Roswell. One was a scrap of material from the space ship. It was extremely light similar to paper. Tough and resilient so when wrinkled it returned to normal. It was not metallic or plastic. He stopped and showed the items to his family before they turned in.

Or, did they first build these structures in stone, and only later developed metal extraction techniques, and later still utilize metals in the fabrication of craft?

If these Aliens once populated certain areas of earth, why dont they anymore?

They likely just visit their experiment to check status.

What did populate Earth and still does - is Humans.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

 

[TopamaxSurvivor]

Some may have gotten the impression that I was picking on Topa. I was not, and in fact, we have had discussions like this before via PM´s. Topa is a cool customer and never loses his temper, he puts forth his side, I put forth mine, we consider each other's point of view, and then, sometimes we agree, and other mtimes we agree to disagree.

I do lose my temper, but it takes a lot. The wicked mayor ignoring propane, fire, and structural codes with support of the council and city staff crosses the line. Risking lives and homes needs to be addressed by the Federal authorities. Fortunately, Arson is a federal crime and any associated deaths will become federal crimes too.

My grandpa George Burroughs was the only minister executed for witchcraft at Salem on August 19, 1692. He was reciting the Lord's Prayer as they executed him. Witches were not supposed to be able to do that. A month later Giles Corey was crushed to death over a period of 2 days. The only person ever known to be executed by crushing in American history. The sheriff even used his cane to stuff Giles tongue back into his mouth as he gasps for air. These events brought a curse on Salem. Every sheriff since Sheriff George Corwin who died at age 30 of a heart attack has died in office or resigned because of heart and blood issues until they moved the Essex County sheriff's office out of Salem in 1991.

Ignoring reasonable and rational policies killed 20 in Salem. The mayor may incur a similar curse killing citizens and destroying homes ignoring reasonable and rational safety policies. Her policy here risks up to 50 people's safety including 18 children and at least a dozen homes in our neighborhood. God only knows the city-wide impact of ignoring fire, structural and seismic standards city-wide.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

 

[pottz]

i was curious about who the 5 people that made this thread there favorite,it was me and 3 other regulars except on new member alex07 apparently he likes our bantor so id like to invite alex too join in,i mean if your gonna watch you can lend your voice,we can always use new opinions.so come on in alex07 we dont bite,well cprelz dire wolf might but the beagle will lick and make it all better.

 

[Desert_Woodworker]

Some may have gotten the impression that I was picking on Topa. I was not, and in fact, we have had discussions like this before via PM´s. Topa is a cool customer and never loses his temper, he puts forth his side, I put forth mine, we consider each other s point of view, and then, sometimes we agree, and other mtimes we agree to disagree.

I do lose my temper, but it takes a lot. The wicked mayor ignoring propane, fire, and structural codes with support of the council and city staff crosses the line. Risking lives and homes needs to be addressed by the Federal authorities. Fortunately, Arson is a federal crime and any associated deaths will become federal crimes too.

My grandpa George Burroughs was the only minister executed for witchcraft at Salem on August 19, 1692. He was reciting the Lord's Prayer as they executed him. Witches were not supposed to be able to do that. A month later Giles Corey was crushed to death over a period of 2 days. The only person ever known to be executed by crushing in American history. The sheriff even used his cane to stuff Giles tongue back into his mouth as he gasps for air. These events brought a curse on Salem. Every sheriff since Sheriff George Corwin who died at age 30 of a heart attack has died in office or resigned because of heart and blood issues until they moved the Essex County sheriff's office out of Salem in 1991.

Ignoring reasonable and rational policies killed 20 in Salem. The mayor may incur a similar curse killing citizens and destroying homes ignoring reasonable and rational safety policies. Her policy here risks up to 50 people s safety including 18 children and at least a dozen homes in our neighborhood. God only knows the city-wide impact of ignoring fire, structural and seismic standards city-wide.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

- TopamaxSurvivor

Top Max- I love the Grand Pa B. story… sometimes back Pottz chastised me for going too religious… it was the same time that you post about your Grand Pa B. Yet it was great to see that posted about your Grand Pa's beliefs.

Pt2 They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

A little harsh for me… my approach- when a student would ask for food- my reply- "You are born naked, hungry and ignorant"... "as a teacher it is not my job to feed you but to educate you." It takes a village to raise a child.

 

[Desert_Woodworker]

Corelz- heresy has been stated by your general manager Pottz- "we dont bite,well cprelz dire wolf might"

I ask that you give him some grief counseling…

IMO the Dire wolf here represents you and this forum- sacred topic

maybe a Keyush video to de-escalate and if we have a membership requirement let it be through an orientation process…


Genius Husky Cracks Puzzle in SECONDS! Dog IQ TEST!

1st lesson- Sergeant Preston of the Yukon with his dog King

 

[woodbutcherbynight]

Expanding on DW´s post, rather than considering "A Previous Civilization," might we not consider - Previous Civilizations? As in, a Cycle that repeats, like your heartbeat.

And really, it is like WBBN wrote earlier - all that we can really KNOW is what we experience first hand, and even then we may be mistaken.

Some scientists will tell you that we are living in a computer simulation; some will speak of the Multiverse; some will speak of the Big Bang; some speak of many dimensions though we only experience this one; some speak of dark energy and dark matter; some speak of folded space and time travel - but it is all theory, ie., guesswork.

Even what we are taught about the atom, the electron, the Dielectric and Gravity may be entirely false.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

Something that interest me is that today we are less in tune with nature and the world around us than previous generations and certainly previous civilizations. Only few hundred years ago they claimed the earth was flat. yet we have historical records by various civilizations that were dead nuts on about our planetary system. Without a telescope how could they have possibly known?

Saw a interesting video awhile back where the guy suggests our planet was visited by aliens. They may have needed something, like minerals or water, or they may have been conducting an experiment. Could have been 3,000, 12,000 or 250,000 years ago. Is it not beyond the realm of possibility that they died out long ago and so never came back. Or that they achieved an objective and typical of any mission when done, pack up and go home? Or could we have been a forward base or rear guard facility? Maybe just explorers, looking around and seeing humanity needed a push and did so. Or a ship crash landed and they made this home. Without resources from home they would have had to make do with what was available.

I just find it odd that the moment anyone brings up Aliens visited our planet they are attacked relentlessly. By the same people that watch and enjoy Star Trek or any other Sci Fi.