+1 Reminds me of a saying that I like- People like the idea of going to heaven but don't want to die to get there…

 

Brian I enjoy your posts. I was going to take issue with the Gravity statement- "Even what we are taught about the atom, the electron, the Dielectric and Gravity may be entirely false." Well this young whippersnapper is wrong about this based on my education… yet I am smart enough to fact check myself- therefore I did my homework and what do you know I came across this 2020 science journal.
"There are four fundamental forces in the physical world: electromagnetism, strong force, weak force, and gravity. Gravity is the only force still unexplainable at the quantum level."
https://phys.org/news/2020-01-gravity-wrong.html

"The notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun had been proposed as early as the 3rd century BC by Aristarchus of Samos. It was not until the 16th century that a mathematical model of a heliocentric system was presented, by the Renaissance mathematician, astronomer, and Catholic cleric Nicolaus Copernicus"

Enjoy the freedom of speech for as you know Brian you are living in Spain- land of the Spanish inquisition…

 

I like to cook most of my meals. I enjoy egg fried rice, I found this youtube vid on how to make egg fried rice. Just do what he does and +1

5 Minute Easy Fried Rice

 

Me using the phrase - "makes no difference to me," was rude and I apologize for that. I like having discussions with Topa.

I dont believe I am preaching here, what I am doing is offering alternative viewpoints on a number of subjects. As Topa and WBBN are doing as well. Topa makes some legit and interesting points in his last post.

I understand that the documentary I linked above may also be disinformation, as WBBN pointed out. The guys who specialize is this type thing are very good at what they do.

I didn't take it as preaching.

I am not saying I am right about any of these subjects, nor am I arguing that it is impossible for Aliens to exist. I am open to all information and ideas.

Topa states above that it has taken 200 million years for the human brain to develope. How do we KNOW this? Fact is, we dont. It is an estimate, a theory. Just as is the age of the Universe a guess - the farther out we look, the older the Universe gets, to the point currently, where we have indentified star systems that are older than the Universe. We are also told that bears, otters and other small land mammals evolved into seals, sea lions, and walruses. If people want to believe that, fine. Others wont, also fine.

200 million years ago is when dinosaurs went extinct and mammals started. It is in the fossil and layer evidence.

Has everyone forgotten the ART of Debate?

One side offers information, then the other has its turn, neither side changes their opinion, usually, but in the process, others may interpret all the information and use it to form their own opinion, or not.

Hyneck, working for the Air Force, who is developing advanced technology that is Above Top Secret, after 20 years, finds that Aliens exist - which is exactly what the Air Force Pysop is designed to do. Is it not possible that one branch of the Air Force or Navy is working on tech that the rest of the Air Force is unaware of? So you have Navy interceptors chasing down Air Force anti-gravity propulsion systems - plausible, at least.

A couple of days after Roswell in 1947, the decision to cover up was made. They still support cover up.

Some questions that occured to me, taking as the premise that Aliens built the mysterious megalithic structures we find all over the globe:

These so-called Aliens travel in metallic or metalic composite craft, which seem to utilize anti-gravity propulsion. They either originated here or came here in these craft. Then, they build massive structures in stone, which would have taken some time, days, weeks, months, years. Yet, they leave no trace of their presence at the construction sites? Wouldnt one of them have left behind his lunchbox, or dropped a coin from Sirius, misplaced a tool, or something? This is the same question that arrises if we theorize that an ancient advanced civilization of Earth built these structures. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.

The megastructures were most likely built to support their slave labor, us. Many consistencies are found among the various civilizations around the world long before they were aware of one another. Pyramids are one and their function is not really known.

If these aliens had the technology to extract and refine metals for production of craft, why didn't they build structures in metals? Is stone more durable and long-lasting than metal?

There was a fellow, name escapes me now, who picked up parts at Roswell. One was a scrap of material from the space ship. It was extremely light similar to paper. Tough and resilient so when wrinkled it returned to normal. It was not metallic or plastic. He stopped and showed the items to his family before they turned in.

Or, did they first build these structures in stone, and only later developed metal extraction techniques, and later still utilize metals in the fabrication of craft?

If these Aliens once populated certain areas of earth, why dont they anymore?

They likely just visit their experiment to check status.

What did populate Earth and still does - is Humans.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

 

Some may have gotten the impression that I was picking on Topa. I was not, and in fact, we have had discussions like this before via PM´s. Topa is a cool customer and never loses his temper, he puts forth his side, I put forth mine, we consider each other's point of view, and then, sometimes we agree, and other mtimes we agree to disagree.

I do lose my temper, but it takes a lot. The wicked mayor ignoring propane, fire, and structural codes with support of the council and city staff crosses the line. Risking lives and homes needs to be addressed by the Federal authorities. Fortunately, Arson is a federal crime and any associated deaths will become federal crimes too.

My grandpa George Burroughs was the only minister executed for witchcraft at Salem on August 19, 1692. He was reciting the Lord's Prayer as they executed him. Witches were not supposed to be able to do that. A month later Giles Corey was crushed to death over a period of 2 days. The only person ever known to be executed by crushing in American history. The sheriff even used his cane to stuff Giles tongue back into his mouth as he gasps for air. These events brought a curse on Salem. Every sheriff since Sheriff George Corwin who died at age 30 of a heart attack has died in office or resigned because of heart and blood issues until they moved the Essex County sheriff's office out of Salem in 1991.

Ignoring reasonable and rational policies killed 20 in Salem. The mayor may incur a similar curse killing citizens and destroying homes ignoring reasonable and rational safety policies. Her policy here risks up to 50 people's safety including 18 children and at least a dozen homes in our neighborhood. God only knows the city-wide impact of ignoring fire, structural and seismic standards city-wide.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

 

i was curious about who the 5 people that made this thread there favorite,it was me and 3 other regulars except on new member alex07 apparently he likes our bantor so id like to invite alex too join in,i mean if your gonna watch you can lend your voice,we can always use new opinions.so come on in alex07 we dont bite,well cprelz dire wolf might but the beagle will lick and make it all better.

 

Some may have gotten the impression that I was picking on Topa. I was not, and in fact, we have had discussions like this before via PM´s. Topa is a cool customer and never loses his temper, he puts forth his side, I put forth mine, we consider each other s point of view, and then, sometimes we agree, and other mtimes we agree to disagree.

I do lose my temper, but it takes a lot. The wicked mayor ignoring propane, fire, and structural codes with support of the council and city staff crosses the line. Risking lives and homes needs to be addressed by the Federal authorities. Fortunately, Arson is a federal crime and any associated deaths will become federal crimes too.

My grandpa George Burroughs was the only minister executed for witchcraft at Salem on August 19, 1692. He was reciting the Lord's Prayer as they executed him. Witches were not supposed to be able to do that. A month later Giles Corey was crushed to death over a period of 2 days. The only person ever known to be executed by crushing in American history. The sheriff even used his cane to stuff Giles tongue back into his mouth as he gasps for air. These events brought a curse on Salem. Every sheriff since Sheriff George Corwin who died at age 30 of a heart attack has died in office or resigned because of heart and blood issues until they moved the Essex County sheriff's office out of Salem in 1991.

Ignoring reasonable and rational policies killed 20 in Salem. The mayor may incur a similar curse killing citizens and destroying homes ignoring reasonable and rational safety policies. Her policy here risks up to 50 people s safety including 18 children and at least a dozen homes in our neighborhood. God only knows the city-wide impact of ignoring fire, structural and seismic standards city-wide.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

- TopamaxSurvivor

Top Max- I love the Grand Pa B. story… sometimes back Pottz chastised me for going too religious… it was the same time that you post about your Grand Pa B. Yet it was great to see that posted about your Grand Pa's beliefs.

Pt2 They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

A little harsh for me… my approach- when a student would ask for food- my reply- "You are born naked, hungry and ignorant"... "as a teacher it is not my job to feed you but to educate you." It takes a village to raise a child.

 

Corelz- heresy has been stated by your general manager Pottz- "we dont bite,well cprelz dire wolf might"

I ask that you give him some grief counseling…

IMO the Dire wolf here represents you and this forum- sacred topic

maybe a Keyush video to de-escalate and if we have a membership requirement let it be through an orientation process…


Genius Husky Cracks Puzzle in SECONDS! Dog IQ TEST!

1st lesson- Sergeant Preston of the Yukon with his dog King

 

Expanding on DW´s post, rather than considering "A Previous Civilization," might we not consider - Previous Civilizations? As in, a Cycle that repeats, like your heartbeat.

And really, it is like WBBN wrote earlier - all that we can really KNOW is what we experience first hand, and even then we may be mistaken.

Some scientists will tell you that we are living in a computer simulation; some will speak of the Multiverse; some will speak of the Big Bang; some speak of many dimensions though we only experience this one; some speak of dark energy and dark matter; some speak of folded space and time travel - but it is all theory, ie., guesswork.

Even what we are taught about the atom, the electron, the Dielectric and Gravity may be entirely false.

Oh, and one other thing - who says that Aliens are smarter than US, why do they have to be smarter? They could be rather dumb and still figure out anti-gravity propulsion - as WE did.

All that is necessary for such a thing is to understand the true nature of the dielectric and gravity.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

Something that interest me is that today we are less in tune with nature and the world around us than previous generations and certainly previous civilizations. Only few hundred years ago they claimed the earth was flat. yet we have historical records by various civilizations that were dead nuts on about our planetary system. Without a telescope how could they have possibly known?

Saw a interesting video awhile back where the guy suggests our planet was visited by aliens. They may have needed something, like minerals or water, or they may have been conducting an experiment. Could have been 3,000, 12,000 or 250,000 years ago. Is it not beyond the realm of possibility that they died out long ago and so never came back. Or that they achieved an objective and typical of any mission when done, pack up and go home? Or could we have been a forward base or rear guard facility? Maybe just explorers, looking around and seeing humanity needed a push and did so. Or a ship crash landed and they made this home. Without resources from home they would have had to make do with what was available.

I just find it odd that the moment anyone brings up Aliens visited our planet they are attacked relentlessly. By the same people that watch and enjoy Star Trek or any other Sci Fi.

 

I just find it odd that the moment anyone brings up Aliens visited our planet they are attacked relentlessly. By the same people that watch and enjoy Star Trek or any other Sci Fi.

- woodbutcherbynight

+1 My favorite science Sociology and history-- When in history did the powers to be- give money similar to today?
I hope that you realize this is like a revolving charge card- Good- bad- ugly so be it… I plan on stimulating the economy- Festool Rotex and vac system…

Gunny back to eastern European history when did the serf got an oxtail-- any different than today?

 

my night time story will be- Sgt Preston and his dog King

As a kid, I preferred Sgt Preston's Husky- King to the German Shepard- Rin-tin-tin.

Respect others…

 

Top Max- I love the Grand Pa B. story… sometimes back Pottz chastised me for going too religious… it was the same time that you post about your Grand Pa B. Yet it was great to see that posted about your Grand Pa s beliefs.

Pt2 They don't necessarily have to be smarter than us. James F. Welles, PhD points out humanity has been pretty well crippled by stupidity from the beginning.

A little harsh for me… my approach- when a student would ask for food- my reply- "You are born naked, hungry and ignorant"... "as a teacher it is not my job to feed you but to educate you." It takes a village to raise a child.

- Desert_Woodworker

You will probably like Ggg…gpa Jeffery Ferris too. He is on one of the stained glass windows in the First Congregational Church, Greenwich CT.

https://www.ourfamtree.org/view.php?pid=161918&aid=15692

We stopped in the library at Fairfield so my bride could look for something in genealogy in a book not available anywhere else. There was a guy who already had it out in the reference area. His family went back to that same era. He was a little PO'd because his gggg..gpa was the only minister that didn't have a stained glass window. ;-)) That was his only ancestor in that area. As we chatted about the area, nearly all the first settlers were my ancestors. He got more and more PO'd ;-)

IQ/ intelligence and stupidity are totally separate issues. Ignorance is easily addressed through education. Stupidity is a willful conscious decision to ignore fact motivated greed, narcissism, and tribal instincts. I discovered that researching psychology to get the city to accept facts about the hazards of code violations. I wasted years trying to educate them.

 

Top Max- you are the best… tomorrow…

 

I wasted years trying to educate them.

- TopamaxSurvivor

Kinda like polishing a turd…. LOL

 

Top Max- you are the best… tomorrow…

- Desert_Woodworker

Thanks DW, but I doubt it ;-)

I forgot all about Sgt Preston. When Rin Tin Tin ended, we had to go do chores and milk. I'll never forget a landmark like that.

 

I wasted years trying to educate them.

- TopamaxSurvivor

Kinda like polishing a turd…. LOL

- woodbutcherbynight

Polishing a turd would be a lot more satisfying than dealing with total idiots.

 

I do lose my temper, but it takes a lot.

- TopamaxSurvivor

Haha! I totally knew you were going to say that. Yes, Bureaucrats can be unnerving, putting it mildly.

 

Aliens, smaliens, no such thing… man never landed on the moon… that's just a load of bull********************! All done in a Mexican studio… no wonder The Donald wanted to build that wall and keep it a secret.

Jesus walking on water was all done by primitive CGI! Calvary was the first BLM protesters getting a tad carried away… long before Custer grew his mullet!

 

Something that interest me is that today we are less in tune with nature and the world around us than previous generations and certainly previous civilizations. Only few hundred years ago they claimed the earth was flat. yet we have historical records by various civilizations that were dead nuts on about our planetary system. Without a telescope how could they have possibly known?

I just find it odd that the moment anyone brings up Aliens visited our planet they are attacked relentlessly. By the same people that watch and enjoy Star Trek or any other Sci Fi.

- woodbutcherbynight

The subject of Aliens has become a part of OUR culture, now a Mythical subject. That is not to say that there arent grains of truth in this myth, or any other Myth - like the Flood myths from around the Globe. I still maintain that all phenomena we see here on Earth and in the skies above can be simply explained without the need for the Aliens. However, I could argue just as easily for the presence of Aliens, as I can against. So now I move on to another subject, one which you mentioned above.

How did they know?

The Greeks knew that the Earth was a sphere, as they had developed the rudiments of calculus - which Newton and Liebnitz later formalized in the 16th century. The Greeks also theorized about the existence of the atom in the 5th century B.C. Conceptually - Atom - meaning - indivisible - and also a sphere.

Some of you may have knowledge of the Piri Reis Map.

This map is dated to the year 1513, and was made by Piri Reis, a Turkish Admiral, and pre-eminant cartographer of his day. He said that he had used other maps as source data, portuguese maps, greek maps, one map that Columbus had made, turkish maps, and likely others that he didnt specify.

It is said that this map depicts Antartica accurately, without its ice shield. So, if this is true, then whatever source this data came from must have been mapped before the last ice age, roughly 13,000 years ago. And due to this, there has arisen the competing ideas of either a civilization with advanced navigation and mapping capability which predates the Ice Age, or the existance of Alien technology. Some who have studied this Map believe that due to a distortion effect when plotting a 3-Dimensional sphere onto a 2-dimensial surface - this map shows the southern tip of South America, which is mistaken as being Antartica. Others believe that the map shows Antartica. It is an open question, and both proofs have been done using computer modelling. So I leave that for you all to investigate if you wish.

But there are some other very interesting things going on with this map.

One of which is that the central point of the map are the pyramids of Giza. Why would that be? I dont know.

Another interesting thing, is that if you superimpose the Piri Reis map over a modern map, to align the coasts of Africa and Brazil, they line up almost perfectly. Of course, this part of the world would have been well-mapped at that time. Further, if you calculate the distance, using both maps, from any point in Brazil or Africa to Cairo in Egypt - the distances are nearly identical. What this means, in simple terms, is that whoever was the source for the mapping of this area of the World must have had a way to plot longitude, which can only be done if you have a way to keep accurate time. Although the idea of lattitude and longitude grid was around since the 3rd century, there was no way to keep accurate time - and this problem wasnt really solved until the 18th century.

So, how was it done? either there was a device that kept accurate time that we dont know about, and has been lost to the ages; or Aliens did it.

 

Space travel is simply sound going in my left ear and coming out of the right!

No such thing as E.T… A flying bicycle… what great imagination!

 

So the aliens have drawn you out lbd.

 

Addendum to my previous post:

Antartica wasnt "officially discovered" until 1820; and if you look at maps from late 18th/early 19th centuries Antartica isnt there.

Also, there are islands on the Piri Reis map that were not discovered until much later.

Concerning longitudinal navigation, the Portugeuse had some serious problems once they rounded Argentina and got out into the vast Pacific Ocean, they had no real way of figuring out where they were. Eventually, they got to what they called The Useless Islands - useless because there was no water - many of the crew on this voyage died of dehydration and starvation. It may have been that some of them ate some others.

There is the Legend of Lemuria, and the ancient civilization that flourished in the Pacific region. These people are said to have been red-haired giants. I wont go into that here, but what is interesting is that when Ferdinand Magellon rounded the tip of Argentina in 1519, he recorded in his journal sightings of rather large red-headed people in that area. There are also myths and legends of South American cultures making human sacrifices to their Gods - sacrifices of red-headed people.

That wasnt so long ago.

 

Space travel is simply sound going in my left ear and coming out of the right!

No such thing as E.T… A flying bicycle… what great imagination!

- LittleBlackDuck

One is amused. Sometimes it is extremely difficult to discern whether you are being totally sarcastic, partially sarcastic, or truthfully stating what you believe.

 

DW fried rice, I could live on it. There is an outdoor restaurant at Napli Shores (Maui) By Kapalua ,that makes the best I have ever had! Portion the size of your head!

Fascinating discussion. Maps, Aliens, things we don't understand.

 

Tonight's topic at the fire pit- Nostradamus and the "Content of the quatrains"

Until tonight I really have to get out in the shop and make some sawdust…

LBD- I truly enjoy your postings but I personally have experienced him-

Fly With E.T. To His Home Planet at Universal studios…
If you've ever seen the movie E.T. you've probably wished you could ride one of those flying bicycles across the sky. Now's your chance and there's no time to waste because E.T. needs your help. His home planet is dying and only you can help him save it.

Board your flying bike with E.T. in the front basket and take off on a thrilling (but gentle) ride through the sky. You'll have to dodge bad guys trying to track him down. If you do, you'll soar above the city and into the stars where his magical home awaits, filled with wondrous otherworldly creatures.