I love my contractors saw. If I feel lazy and do not feel like hooking up my dust collection, it all falls to the floor. Cabinet saws are nice, but they have thier cons too.

 

Nothing like a bit of constructive criticism on a review. Good post Obi. I am glad I have a cabinet saw for most things but portability is an issue.

 

Portability is such an issue that I just went out into the shop and removed the wheels. Then I took the worlds most worthless p.o.s. dust collection shroud off and now… I can fabricate a proper method to collect the dust.

THANK YOU ALL FOR INSPIRING ME TO TEAR THE USELESS CRAP OFF THIS MACHINE

 

First of all not all of us have the unlimited amount of funds that others do, so we have to look at and consider cost above all, I for one cannot afford to pay $700.00 to thousands of dollars for an expensive cabinet saw for my home shop, I am basically a woodworking hobbiest and do-it-yourselfer. I am going to take your advice and buy the C10FL and judge for myself, also I'm pretty sure that I can fix the so called dust collection problem and tilt gear problem fairly quickly and easily and at little extra cost to me.
Oh, and just a little insight, even those who think they know everything there is to know, may just be kidding themselves regardless of their experience, etc.
I can certainly tell by your last comment that you have more money than commen sense !
Good luck with trying to prove everyone who disagrees with you as being wrong or know-nothings.
Their are certainly a lot of others on other forums who disagree with you on the virture of this saw !

 

tell us how you really feel.

 

O.K. MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE UNFAIR. IT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAN ALL OF THE OTHER TABLE SAWS IN ITS PRICE RANGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM, I BOUGHT THIS ONE. I USE IT EVERY DAY. IT HAS DESIGN FLAWS THAT ONLY SOMEONE WHO USES IT EVERY DAY WOULD NOTICE. ALL I'M SAYING IS IF YOU USE YOUR TABLE SAW EVERY DAY, IT WOULD BE WORTH THE EXTRA $200.00 AND BUY THE GRIZZLY INSTEAD OF SPENDING $500.00 ON THIS ONLY TO FIND THAT IT HAS FLAWS IN THE DESIGN.

SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE READ THIS REVIEW TAKE IT PERSONALLY … LIKE THEY EITHER DESIGNED IT OR THEIR NAME IS HITACHI.

LIGHTEN UP, IT'S A TABLE SAW. IT'S ONLY ONE BAD REVIEW.

REVIEWS ON TOOLS IS LIKE A CRITIC AT THE THEATRE. NOT EVERY BODY IS GOING TO LIKE THE SAME MOVIE, NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO SEE IT FROM THE SAME SEAT, FROM THE SAME EYES AND SOME PEOPLE GET UP AND GO PEE OR GET A SNACK AND MISS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE SHOW.

IF YOU'VE USED THIS SAW, THEN WRITE YOUR OWN REVIEW AND YOU CAN EVEN SAY I'M A JERK, I DON'T CARE. AS I SEE IT, IM GETTING FAMOUS.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

lol go obi !! ive not written any reviews for no particular reason but after reading through this im not sure ill bother . i thought a review was to relate ones personal experience ( good or bad ) with a particular tool . and collectively we find out if a tool has a problem or if maybe one person got a lemon or whatever . i dont think anyones personal experience needs to be rebutted unless youve shared that experience . so if these guys havent been in your shop useing your saw , i agree write your own review and relate your own experience . thats what makes the review system work ! sorry didnt mean to rant .

 

THIS REVIEW IS ON PAGE ONE OF THE GOOGLE SEARCH

HALLELUJAH, I'M FAMOUS!!!!

 

My initial thoughts when I read these replies were "Wow Obi! CAPS, Bold, CAPS AND BOLD, the whole enchilada! I thought I had included enough discalimers to make it clear I was not attacking your review, just giving my own. Maybe you are just worn out on this thread (don't blame you)."

But then I read mrtrim's post:

Quote by mrtrim: i dont think anyones personal experience needs to be rebutted unless youve shared that experience . so if these guys havent been in your shop useing your saw , i agree write your own review and relate your own experience . thats what makes the review system work ! sorry didnt mean to rant .

I agree mrtrim thanks for making that observation and bringing me to my senses. I did not foresee the ill will I have/may have caused and I aplogize to you Obi. I assure you my intentions were noble and not argumentitive, but we all know how relevant intentions are in the end.

I will not in the future post a contradictory review in someone's review. It was bad manners and bad judgement. I can see now that it can come across as implying the OP is somehow "incorrect", no mater how many disclaimer's one uses as a pretext.

Sorry fellas. Won't happen again.

 

When I first opened a cabinet shop (at a friend's insistance) I told him I can't because I don't have … the entire list of reasons as to why I couldn't due to lack of tools. He said "O.K." and we proceeded to look into the best tools for the cheapest price.

This saw was the first item purchased and that was based on 3 things
1) Limited Funds
2) Manufacturer's Specs
3) I didn't know about Grizzly at the time

I also purchased a dust collection system from Lowe's and I read every manual before i set the things up because every tool in the shop that CAN kill the user if used improperly.

I knew that the dust collection port was installed properly but I was not aware of the collection of dust at the user side of the saw due to the enormous lip inside.

As far as the review goes this is not opinion or hearsay this is actual fact.

It was the oldone that angered me, saying:
"I am wondering if Obi assembled the dust collection chut backwards"
"I can certainly tell by your last comment that you have more money than commen sense !"

Apperantly this "Know-it-all" signed up and logged on just to give me a bad time, because his only two comments have been to bad mouth my review…

And I'm still getting famous

And it's spelled "COMMON" sense

 

I know what it feels like to discover a tool is lacking in performance when you had high, average, or even no expectations. Ain't good.

 

Wow, with this kind of attention, maybe I should write more reviews on all the tools I have that I don't like.

 

Obi- First of all I did not log on to this site to anger anyone, only to get some advice on the C10FL table saw, since it is probably the only saw that I will be able to afford and available without having to pay additional shipping charges.
Just to give you, the expert a little insight into what I have been using as a table saw for the past ten years is a SKIL, 10 inch bench-top table saw that I constructed a T square type rip-fence for, as the factory fence was a flimsy, thin aluminum thing. Now I would like to up-grade to something better, IN A PRICE RANGE THAT I CAN AFFORD and since I have managed to construct several pieces, such as a large modular entertainment center, china hutch, computer armoire, etc., using the Skil, I believe I can do as well or better with the C10FL, even if you don't like it. All of my tools are mostly bottom of the line Skil products, but I believe I have done quite well with them.
And thank you for correcting my misspelling of the word COMMON sense, since it was a key stroke error and not a spelling error, but it's nice to see that you are also a certified spelling and grammer teacher as well as a saw expert ! In case you haven't noticed, you have now managed to make me mad as hell and I will no longer give you the attention that you seem to crave so much.

 

Buy the saw. It's not a bad saw, I just wouldn't recommend it as a cabinet saw for someone that uses their saw every day to make a living.

Upgrade the blad to a Freud 80 tooth, buy extra belts from Ace Hardware and be aware of the sawdust buildup inside the saw.

I'd recommend not installing the plastic shroud dust collector, but modify the base to let it fall to the floor and inclose the base with anything and attach your dust collection to the modified base.

And I apolgize for slinging dirt.

 

I discovered this site by doing a search on this particular saw, so it proves the "silver lining" theory is still alive and well. Great site! I had already read several reviews on it and pretty much decided to get one. As one of the posters above said, in the reviews I read also, there were a couple of mentions about the above-average dust collection.

After reading this "review" I am sure I am going to get one based on the comments of some of the more sane individuals who tried to offer a little balance. Anyone with an ego a mile has no credibility since they can't help but put themselves at the apex of everything they say and do. An unbiased review from Mr. Obi is impossible, because he sees the saw as having "let him down", or of course having "victimized" him, and must exact his revenge on the inanimate object AND the manufacturer.

It is but one of a myriad components, of a very complex condition known as narcissism. In this instance we can say it prevents the inflicted person from viewing or saying anything in an unbiased manner. Hence a "review" which goes out of it's way to demonize an object in lieu of simply listing what he perceives as the inadequate attributes of the design and engineering of the machine.

Obi, being a slave to his condition, doesn't just "warn" readers about what he sees as the weaknesses but he ORDERS YOU NOT TO BUY THIS SAW! DO NOT BUY THIS SAW! DO NOT BUY THIS SAW!! etc. because you are too stupid to make up your own mind based on simple facts. Narcissists have an extreme "Superiority Complex" and do not believe anyone can make simple decisions, based on elementary deduction.

this is also why he needs to use CAPITALS INCESSANTLY when wants to yell at you and "put you in your place". How dar you attempt further discussion on an issue which has been decided by Almighty Obi? And how dare anyone even consider he could have installed the dust collection part incorrectly (which is a virtual given)?

" . . . In case you haven't noticed, you have now managed to make me mad as hell and I
will longer give you the attention that you seem to crave so much."

Sorry to inform you oldone, a narcissist is going to find attention somewhere, somehow.

And btw, MR. GRAMMAR, it's "blade" and not "blad", "enclose" not "inclose", and "apologize" not "aplogize". But don't allow your poor usage and spelling prevent you from throwing stones. It's always best that a glass house be shattered from the inside.

Good day!

 

So, now I'm insane and stupid. I was. I should have looked a little harder for a better saw.

And since my last post, i redesigned the dust collection. Removed the shroud completely, incased the bottom and attached the dust collection to the modified base. Works great.

I'm amazed. If someone points out design flaws, and another buys the item in spite of the warnings, who then is then is the stupid one?

 

Just a note for those who may have come across this review when searching or contemplating purchasing this saw. The dust collection has been redesigned. The port is now centered and exits downward, vertically. All directions come to the port in a nice, parabolic shape. I just put this saw together last weekend and noted that the collection is different from the display at my local Lowe's. I had thought I would need a 2" to 3" adapter for my collection hose based upon the display, but this new panel uses 3".

The motor is still being claimed at 3HP, but is clearly marked as 15A @ 115VAC. Assuming an efficiency in the 85% range, this is close to a 2HP motor. Still good, but certainly not the 3HP monster listed on product literature.

Setup was simple and painless and the saw is running smoothly.

I do have a bit of a beef with the blade guard. I got rid of an early 80's Craftsman where the guard attached at the rear of the saw with wingnuts. Perhaps this is no longer considered the norm, nor even acceptable, but this guard attaches with hex head bolts directly behind the blade. Removal/reinstallation is a real pain.

 

All-in-all, the saw isn't really a bad saw, just had a few design flaws and if they've changed the dustcollection port so that the saw dust doesn't collect on the sides and continue to pile up that was half of my complaint. The only other thing I didnt like was the gear driven angle adjustment.

They should really make the angle adjustment direct drive instead of a plastic gear.

 

I agree on the bevel adjustment note. When you look at the saw internals, the handle would have been at the front of the left side anyway. Putting the knob on the front gains nothing and adds an unnecessary change of direction.

This saw was available with a $100 gift card and 15% off. At just over $400, this is a good saw. Is it a production grade cabinet saw? No, but that's not really the market it is playing in.

 

I too bought this saw a couple of years ago. Some things to add is it is a left tilt saw which has left me changing stuff around to use on my saw. My dial dado set and Grizzly tennon sled. I have modified the access door on a hinge and a twist lock. I did this to help removing the build up of dust in many of the corners.

Anybody have any ideas on how to make a good zero clearence insert for this? Funky design and tried with some hardwood, but the edges were to thin and broke.

When I can afford it, I will be replacing this saw with something better.

Hitachi makes a great product (I too have two routers, cordless impact drill and several other hand tools) they just failed to meet my expectations on this one.

Just my two cents. -Dave

 

madbaird brings up a pretty big negative if you ask me. Does it have a bad throat design? My old little saw had a poor design making zero clearance next to impossible, bad bad bad.

Personally I sit and wait until I can find the oldest tool I can find and buy that one, never been let down!

 

I just bought this saw ($499 - 15%(Promo) - 10% (coupon) -$100 (gift card thru MIR), and I love it. This is my second table saw, and I am far from a professional woodworker (that is why I bought a $500 TS , and not a $1000+ Jet table saw). I have used it with pine and cedar in the month that I have had it. It cut great through both, even when using the dado blade. This saw is not perfect, but it is a lot better than the others in the same price range. Here are the pros, and cons (and no I don't work for hitachi… lol)

Cons
The Manual sucks (period). But seriously the manual takes all the fun out of the experience anyways…
The legs are flimsy… I bought $20 worth of 1/8" angle iron and some bolts from lowes to fix this… (hasn't been a big enough deal to fix yet)
The motor is not really 3HP all the time, as stated before that is peak… move on…
The Blade Adjustment Lock is not the greatest, even if you "Lock" the angle and depth, you can can still move the dials with your hands and a little bit of force…

Pros
For the weekender this saw has a great fence system out of the box once setup…
Dust collection works fantastic on this saw, and even better with a dust collecter (I have a delta that works great)
The saw is really quiet…. just a high whisper…
The saw has wheels standard, no mobile base accessories kit to buy…
Most of the parts are cast iron (except for the sheet metal base)
The on/off switch is also a bump switch that you can turn off with your knee…
It has a nice holder on the side for the fence system… not a biggie, but still shows that thought was put in…

All in all, if you can assemble things without having to follow the directions religiously, and don't mind spending $20 (or less) to reinforce the legs, it's a great table saw! I bought this after seeing many positive reviews, and using the hitachi C12LSH mitre saw that I have owned for over 2 years now. I have been very happy with these two hitachi products, however I have looked at other brands for other types of tools, such as dewault, bostitch, porter cable, delta, craftsmen, kreg, etc.

 

Are the trunions attached to the cabinet or to the table top?

 

there are no trunions …

 

How is the blade assembly attached to the saw then ? How easy is it to align the blade parralel to the miter ?

I have a craftsman contractor saw and its a pain. Its attached to the top and you have to loosen screws and wack the assembly with a mallet to get it aligned in contrast to cabinet saws where you have the trunions attached to the cabinet making alignment a simple matter of loosening the table bolts and aligning it to the blade.

Some hybrid saws apparently have this feature too. This saw is not one of them then?