Do you all think General Finishes' Extender would be compatible with Minwax water based stain? I called Minwax to see if they have an extender, but they don't and have no suggestions except, "work faster". Of course they offer no opinion regarding any third party product either. I went with Minwax because the had a "pre-designed" color (241 choices) that matched exactly to what I needed.
rbeachy
I've never used the water based stains that I can remember. Sounds like it's drying too fast before you can wipe it off? Can it be worked in smaller sections?
Can you spray the product instead?
There's also Floetrol and XIM extenders. I've used XIM with regular acrylic "house paints" and they seem to help on hot weather extending a bit the open time to help with brush strokes. Even read on some paint forums some guys use windex with similar results.
Can you spray the product instead?
There's also Floetrol and XIM extenders. I've used XIM with regular acrylic "house paints" and they seem to help on hot weather extending a bit the open time to help with brush strokes. Even read on some paint forums some guys use windex with similar results.
+1 Use a spray gun to apply stain, followed by quick wipe to even out color, using a two hand working process.
FUD FWIW:
- Sherwin Williams the maker of Minwax, does not recommend using MinWax WB stains on large projects, due to issues with short open time and fast evaporation.
- MinWax tends to produce widely variable results, that are severely impacted by changes in temp and humidity. I.E. One time it works, and the very next day; it fails to dry, or has color consistency issues. Or as I like to say: 'Real' Wood worker's don't recommend MinWax anything; even to their enemies.
- MinWax SDS lists one thixotropic filler ingredient (quartz), and zero information on solvents. That means they are using safe (edible) solvents: water, ethanol alcohol, and 'safe small amount' of propylene glycol and/or glycol ether. Which also means that GF Extender (containing propylene glycol and glycol ether) should be compatible.
- The best retarder solvent is one that mixes readily with finish, and evaporates much slower than existing solvents. There are no 'safe' solvents that met this criteria; that are not already in the stain. The only slow evaporating solvent, that is compatible with WB finishes, and can readily be found at commercial paint distributors is the glycol ether: Butyl cellosolve. Adding it as retarder mandates use of a respirator.
When I need a retarder for WB finish, i use either: propylene glycol, butyl cellusolve, or combination of both.
Use no more than 3-4% propylene glycol to total amount. Higher levels can add weeks to dry time.
Most WB finishes can tolerate ~10% butyl cellusolve, before there are mixing issues. But seldom need/want to add more than 5-6%.
Best Luck.
FUD FWIW:
- Sherwin Williams the maker of Minwax, does not recommend using MinWax WB stains on large projects, due to issues with short open time and fast evaporation.
- MinWax tends to produce widely variable results, that are severely impacted by changes in temp and humidity. I.E. One time it works, and the very next day; it fails to dry, or has color consistency issues. Or as I like to say: 'Real' Wood worker's don't recommend MinWax anything; even to their enemies.
- MinWax SDS lists one thixotropic filler ingredient (quartz), and zero information on solvents. That means they are using safe (edible) solvents: water, ethanol alcohol, and 'safe small amount' of propylene glycol and/or glycol ether. Which also means that GF Extender (containing propylene glycol and glycol ether) should be compatible.
- The best retarder solvent is one that mixes readily with finish, and evaporates much slower than existing solvents. There are no 'safe' solvents that met this criteria; that are not already in the stain. The only slow evaporating solvent, that is compatible with WB finishes, and can readily be found at commercial paint distributors is the glycol ether: Butyl cellosolve. Adding it as retarder mandates use of a respirator.
When I need a retarder for WB finish, i use either: propylene glycol, butyl cellusolve, or combination of both.
Use no more than 3-4% propylene glycol to total amount. Higher levels can add weeks to dry time.
Most WB finishes can tolerate ~10% butyl cellusolve, before there are mixing issues. But seldom need/want to add more than 5-6%.
Best Luck.
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