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Exterior finish for cedar?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hi guys. I built a planting table for my mom 2 years ago out of some cedar I had laying around. I have no experience with exterior finishes, but I thought that using a deck finish would be the way to go. So I used something from the home store that was supposed to seal and protect decks. She covered over the winter, but it still turned pretty badly.

I've brought it home and have sanded it down. Do you guys have any recommendations for what to finish it with to give it a longer life? I have some marine epoxy that i used to finish a wood sink bowl that works great, but that stuff is really expensive and seems like overkill.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

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#2 ·
I wouldn't put any finish on it.
Just leave it natural.
It will have a long life because of the wood and construction.
There is one way to keep the wood from rotting a good soak in creosol or motor oil. The stuff they put on telephone poles. That should do it. :)
Have you thought about a cover like barbecues have?
Good Luck
 
#6 ·
Thanks for the responses guys. I like the linseed oil idea, but it seems like that's something that's going to need to be re-applied quite often. Is that the case? Has anyone used True Oil for outdoor applications? I think that's a mixture of linseed and other oils. It's my favorite finish to use for inside stuff, but I have no idea how it would hold up outdoors.
 
#7 ·
My house is wrapped in cedar sheathing, and it needs to be treated every 5 years or so… pressure wash then sealed. I've used several brands over the years (Cabot, Cedarshield, etc..) and they all seem to work about the same. House is over 20 years old and it still looks fine.

Cheers,
Brad
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the responses guys. I like the linseed oil idea, but it seems like that s something that s going to need to be re-applied quite often. Is that the case? Has anyone used True Oil for outdoor applications? I think that s a mixture of linseed and other oils. It s my favorite finish to use for inside stuff, but I have no idea how it would hold up outdoors.

- JackStraw42
Basically any clear finish exposed to sun & weather will not last that long. The more opaque, the longer it resists UV light, but surface films fail & make a mess after a while.
 
#12 ·
Basically any clear finish exposed to sun & weather will not last that long. The more opaque, the longer it resists UV light, but surface films fail & make a mess after a while.

- jwoodcraft
Best answer. A spar Varnish probably stands up as good as anything but even a good brand of marine grade isn't going to make it more than a couple years. Ask anyone with at boat. Nothing stands up for long in the sun.
 
#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
My last home had cedar siding. We used Behr solid color stain, seems like a weak paint, but we got 11 years out of the first painting before she felt it needed a redo. Since then we redid it same way, and have been out of the house for 12 years, so that coat has been on 23 years all together. I go by once in a while to visit old neighbors, and to me it's still looks good, colors are distinct, and not muddled at all. Across the street neighbor used Olympic, and he HAD to redo every 2 years. Everybody else around out area swapped to the Behr.

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Place has been sold 3 times since we sold it. You know people clean up a house to sell it, same exterior coat for 23 years. Product impressed me.
 

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#16 ·
I did my new fence in Ready Seal here in Houston. The UV decimates outdoor wood furniture and fences here without coating. I read that I should be able to get about 3 years between recoats using a natural cedar color (some solids to block the light) I can't speak to the longevity yet but it was the best I could find from my research without going with a high solid content to be like paint.
 
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Other than painting the siding and trim on my house, I have a policy that I will not use any top coat finishes on outside projects. I've had this policy for about 10 years now. My reasoning is that top coats degrade over time. To "refinish requires removing loose and flaking finish and applying the new top coat every few years. A PIA. What I've been using this past decade or so is Penofin oil or Tall Earth Eo Safe wood treatment depending on the project. The penofin oil soaks in, preserves and doesn't require any sanding or scraping to RE coat, which I do every 2-4 years with a rag (wipe on, wipe off) I use it on figured or premium woods like the Ipe deck or the Redwood ceiling of a patio cover. The Tall Earth Wood treatment looks like crap for almost a year, but then it starts turning a very nice gray and is a preservative to protect the wood from rot. I applied Tall Earth on my Douglas Fir timber patio covers and posts more than 4 years ago and they all look great, no maintenance required. I realize we have different weather effects in Southern California than most of the rest of the country. Not as much wet and cold , but UV from sunlight has a pretty significant impact here. So far my strategy has been working fine.
 
#19 ·
Creosote, made from coal tar, has been unavailable to consumers for 20+ years. When it gets on skin, it burns. Not something you would want to do to your mother.

- ibewjon
I wasn't serious I was actually trying nudge the op to accept his project will not look or last forever. All woods turn gray in sunlight. Nothing will protect from the power of a star. The most important part of a outdoor project is it usable after it gets cycled through hot and cold wet and dry a few hundred times. Function before form.
I used to have a bucket of cold tar pitch. I could seal a leak under water. And yes it burn it's not for sissy's :)
Good Luck
 
#21 ·
The real answer is mother nature always wins. Make the work surface replaceable for when it shows the wear. Is that a pre manufactured top with all the short pieces end glued?

- ibewjon
No, i had a bunch of scrap cedar that I glued together to make the top. A lot of it was cupped, so it turned out to be quite a lot more work than I wanted hah.