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I agree with Rob. Why give your hard work and give it to somebody that does not want to understand it, dissembles it, and turns it into lies and junk.

-Madts.
 
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This is pathetic given "the most transparent administration".....
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/258375-agency-wont-give-gop-internal-docs-on-climate-research

NOAA refuses to provide documents on research at NOAA regarding the pause and the latest data adjustments

Citing the confidentiality of the requested documents and the integrity of the scientific process, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said it won't give Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) what he recently subpoenaed about the research.

So the GOVERNMENT research at the GOVERNMENT agency…. is confidential and congress may not see it?
Transparency!!

- DrDirt
There is no scientific significance whatsoever to the background information. The contribution to the scientific process is the published report and only the published report. The observations and conclusions of the report have scientific significance only to the extent that the report provides sufficient information to evaluate them. If critical information is missing then the appropriate action is to discount the findings affected by the lack of supporting information.

So whatever Lamar Smith is up to it is not a scientific evaluation of the report. It is something else.

Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?
 
So whatever Lamar Smith is up to it is not a scientific evaluation of the report. It is something else.
What is ridiculous and insulting is that Smith egotistically places a higher value on his personal incompetent and uniformed assessment of a complex scientific issue rather than on the considerable expertise of the National Academies, whose sole purpose is to advise the government on scientific issues.
 
Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?

- GregD
There is no right to privacy when working on Government systems. All electrons are subject to review and are the property of the US Government.
 
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What is with these Republican email fishing expeditions?

- RobS888
It is about energizing their base to get them to the polls just like the Benghazi fiasco that back fired and elevated Hilary to undeniable presidential material status.

Rs are in deep dodo. They have alienated most demographic voter groups. Over 50% of likely R voters want a political outsider as their nominee. (Jimmy Carter was the last real outsider in the White House.) 74% say the government is dysfunctional even though they control both houses of Congress according to recent polls as reported by NBC last night. I believe many may finally be recognizing their enemy and they is them ;-)

I began to question that 25 years ago because of Reagan's betrayals of conservative economic policy. Bush the dumbest was the last straw for me. Rs cannot win with their agenda; destruction of the middle class, supporting more tax cuts and asset accumulation for the oligarchy, turning medicare over to private insurance companies to destroy and ending Social Security. They need to invent scarry issues and put out a thick smoke screen to get any voter support. If their base does not see them as necessary to protect them from the evil government they are done for. Too many of their shills are beginning to see the light.
 
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Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?

- GregD

There is no right to privacy when working on Government systems. All electrons are subject to review and are the property of the US Government.

- Smitty_Cabinetshop
Sure, however as we saw recently the party in charge can't be trusted with emails. They went far beyond the scope of their mandate. Asking the next president if she went to bed alone the night of the Benghazi attack was ridiculous. So expect from now on they won't get emails (oops, server crash) or more people will use private ones.

11 hours of grilling got them egg all over their face. Elijah Cummings is my rep and I was yelling with him! Well, mostly in my head.
 
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Very strange….H tells her daughter and Egyptian PM the truth and everyone else a lie about a video. who cares???

We should expect that ALL federal employees follow the rules about using secure email and that all email and documents properly backed up. No major corporation would tolerate this nonsense. Doesn't matter if R or D, follow the rules.

TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS….WHAT IS GOING ON IS NOT RIGHT. I do not care what political party is involved….FIX THE PROBLEMS AND FIRE THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DO THEIR JOBS.

end of rant…sorry
 
Very strange….H tells her daughter and Egyptian PM the truth and everyone else a lie about a video. who cares???

We should expect that ALL federal employees follow the rules about using secure email and that all email and documents properly backed up. No major corporation would tolerate this nonsense. Doesn t matter if R or D, follow the rules.

TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS….WHAT IS GOING ON IS NOT RIGHT. I do not care what political party is involved….FIX THE PROBLEMS AND FIRE THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DO THEIR JOBS.

end of rant…sorry

- Redoak49
I found her explanation quite satisfactory. At the time I found the stupid video a plausible spark. And since then some of the perpetrators said it was the video. Go Hillary!
 
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Lamar Smith and the triumph of partisanship over scientific research.

- muleskinner
That is so sad, they changed the rules so they can go after anyone for any reason.

Perhaps it would have been better if that guy McCarthy had been elected speaker, that way we could still use the same title for this behavior.
 
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Lamar Smith and the triumph of partisanship over scientific research.

- muleskinner

That is so sad, they changed the rules so they can go after anyone for any reason.

Perhaps it would have been better if that guy McCarthy had been elected speaker, that way we could still use the same title for this behavior.

- RobS888
Like I said Rob, they have nothing to run on but fear. "They need to invent scarry issues and put out a thick smoke screen to get any voter support. If their base does not see them as necessary to protect them from the evil government they are done for. Too many of their shills are beginning to see the light."
 
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Regardless of how somebody feels the data may be spun….

Really - - why is it OK that NOAA declares its research Confidential to the government.

Is your work NOT viewed by your boss? Congress funds NOAA.

The wretching about who understands what is a diversion…. WHY IS THE INFORMATION OFF LIMITS TO REVIEW.
How is this OK that NOAA can ignore subpoenas from congress… regardless which side.

I thought we had a "Transparent administration".
That they choose to bury the data and claim confidentiality only fuels suspicion of AGW and the government in general.

Surprised how many people seem to advocate our government work in secret… I suspect when the other party is in charge - they would have a different view of this.
 
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Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?

- GregD
Are you able to keep your work secret from your boss?

If he asks to see your data can you say "nope it's confidential so GFY"
Government agencies are answerable to the people signing their paycheck (congress).

Why should AGW data analysis be a Secret from ANYONE ? Or is it simply because it is a republican asking?

People that have agendas make FOIA requests all the time - - a "you won't support our conclusions so ACCESS DENIED" is not the way our government is supposed to work.
 
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We The People…..

These people work for us. Unless there is a REAL security issue,the government should be open and transparent.

It just makes people wonder if there is something to hide. Why do we allow this to happen?
 
Could it be that the findings are NOT what the administration wants and therefore "classifies" it so it cannot be used to undo what the administration spouts?
 
"We the People" refers to "We the People in charge know what the people need!" After all, as Hillary stated, "At this point, what difference does it make?" seems to be common attitude in Washington. Then we have 11 hours of hearings that are designed to be the basis for paving Hillary's ascension to power.
 
Red oak and dbray… their ACTIONS say yes! they are hiding something.

Everyone in the pundits and talking heads, skeptics etc… all point at the past 18 years being flat (no temperature rise)
Many academics are tryin to understand what must be happening - - as CO2 continues to increase, WHY ISN'T Temperature rising.

I think that is a worthing goal…. find out what is happening and why.

But then NOAA released a report that says "there is no 18 year flat spot".... they then ADJUSTED the temperature data.

Somebody asks for justification on how they CHANGE THE RECORD…. and when asked why/how the data has been manipulated…..they tell us it is a secret -yet government policy is set on data that is not permitted to be scrutinized.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/06/04/noaa-says-theres-no-such-thing-as-the-global-warming-pause-now-what/
 
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Are you able to keep your work secret from your boss?

If he asks to see your data can you say "nope it s confidential so GFY"
Government agencies are answerable to the people signing their paycheck (congress).

Why should AGW data analysis be a Secret from ANYONE ? Or is it simply because it is a republican asking?

People that have agendas make FOIA requests all the time - - a "you won t support our conclusions so ACCESS DENIED" is not the way our government is supposed to work.

- DrDirt
So you accept the fact that this situation has nothing to do with the science of climate change?

And this is just an oversight/management thing?

In my company the usual practice is to respect the chain of command as well as privacy. The motivation isn't altruistic, simply that ignoring these niceties usually results in confusion and chaos. Most good work produces a lot of fill for the trash bin: prototypes, mistakes, one-off jigs, off-cuts, and other junk. The product is the product and sent "up the line" and should stand for itself. The rest goes into the trash bin.
 
Regardless of how somebody feels the data may be spun….

Really - - why is it OK that NOAA declares its research Confidential to the government.

Is your work NOT viewed by your boss? Congress funds NOAA.

The wretching about who understands what is a diversion…. WHY IS THE INFORMATION OFF LIMITS TO REVIEW.
How is this OK that NOAA can ignore subpoenas from congress… regardless which side.

I thought we had a "Transparent administration".
That they choose to bury the data and claim confidentiality only fuels suspicion of AGW and the government in general.

Surprised how many people seem to advocate our government work in secret… I suspect when the other party is in charge - they would have a different view of this.

- DrDirt
NOT the research, they gave all of that, they refuse to give the emails. They don't see it as pertinent to the research. Especially for anyone that may have emails from 2009 on. Just another ridiculous fishing expedition.
 
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