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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
As some of you have already heard, our planet has past the point of no return in carbon emissions. 400 ppm (parts per million).
What this means is that carbon, a greenhouse gas, is going to be holding in enough energy to raise the average temperature to a point that will precipitate other greenhouse gases like methane to release, (which is already happening on a grand scale). Methane is much worse than carbon. We could have stopped the carbon, but there's no stopping methane.
As coastlines are threatened, people will be relocating inland. Farming will at first become erratic with unseasonably cold and hot and dry. Storms will increase in number and strength. With mass migrations and global food shortage, no government will be able to help. Many will die, too many to bury. Disease and pestilence will follow.

If the oceans warm another couple degrees, the algae will die, then the plankton, then the small fish, then the large fish. That's one third of the world food supply right there.

You might not see it for a while, but you will definitely see it in the near future. Maybe not as I've laid it out above, but it will not be business as usual for us. If we survive.

Not very pleasant, but sometimes truth isn't. You want to give your kids an advantage. teach them survival in the wild, it'll be very valuable to them.

I know a lot of you don't believe that there is any problem with the climate, and that's fine, there isn't anything you could do about it if you believed it anyway. Not trying to start an argument, just wanted to let you all know that your lives are about to change dramatically and I wouldn't expect you'll hear much truth from the media about this.
 
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#752 ·
You libs get a bit emotional when your religion is questioned.

- DrDirt
Some may at times as most people do. The biggest issue that cannot be resolved is the right wing authoritarians in ability to think critically and correlate events with their consequences.
 
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#755 ·
I do not consider myself a liberal or conservative but rather a logical person!
Probably from way too many years in software as software is neither.

- oldnovice
I think both terms are a little more polarized than they used to be, or perhaps the interwebs allows us to be more ignorant.

Were you a developer?
 
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#756 ·
I started with the 8080 microprocessor back in the 1970's using the only thing available, assembly code.
From there on it was down the dark path of code.
From that assembly code to IEC1131, now known as IEC6113, for control systems.
I am now retired an haven't done any writing for about 5 years.
 
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#757 ·
I started with the 8080 microprocessor back in the 1970 s using the only thing available, assembly code.
From there on it was down the dark path of code.
From that assembly code to IEC1131, now known as IEC6113, for control systems.
I am now retired an haven t done any writing for about 5 years.

- oldnovice
That sounds hardware specific or were the control systems flexible for different types of operations!
 
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#759 ·
This is pathetic given "the most transparent administration".....
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/258375-agency-wont-give-gop-internal-docs-on-climate-research

NOAA refuses to provide documents on research at NOAA regarding the 'pause' and the latest data adjustments

Citing the confidentiality of the requested documents and the integrity of the scientific process, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said it won't give Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) what he recently subpoenaed about the research.

So the GOVERNMENT research at the GOVERNMENT agency…. is confidential and congress may not see it?
Transparency!!
 
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#760 · (Edited by Moderator)
Well, I wouldn't give them anything without someone to explain it to them, Republicans tend to misunderstand science, numbers, &... well everything.

Actually, the only thing they won't provide are internal communications. What is with these Republican email fishing expeditions?
 
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#762 · (Edited by Moderator)
This is pathetic given "the most transparent administration".....
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/258375-agency-wont-give-gop-internal-docs-on-climate-research

NOAA refuses to provide documents on research at NOAA regarding the pause and the latest data adjustments

Citing the confidentiality of the requested documents and the integrity of the scientific process, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said it won't give Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) what he recently subpoenaed about the research.

So the GOVERNMENT research at the GOVERNMENT agency…. is confidential and congress may not see it?
Transparency!!

- DrDirt
There is no scientific significance whatsoever to the background information. The contribution to the scientific process is the published report and only the published report. The observations and conclusions of the report have scientific significance only to the extent that the report provides sufficient information to evaluate them. If critical information is missing then the appropriate action is to discount the findings affected by the lack of supporting information.

So whatever Lamar Smith is up to it is not a scientific evaluation of the report. It is something else.

Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?
 
#763 ·
So whatever Lamar Smith is up to it is not a scientific evaluation of the report. It is something else.
What is ridiculous and insulting is that Smith egotistically places a higher value on his personal incompetent and uniformed assessment of a complex scientific issue rather than on the considerable expertise of the National Academies, whose sole purpose is to advise the government on scientific issues.
 
#765 ·
What is with these Republican email fishing expeditions?

- RobS888
It is about energizing their base to get them to the polls just like the Benghazi fiasco that back fired and elevated Hilary to undeniable presidential material status.

Rs are in deep dodo. They have alienated most demographic voter groups. Over 50% of likely R voters want a political outsider as their nominee. (Jimmy Carter was the last real outsider in the White House.) 74% say the government is dysfunctional even though they control both houses of Congress according to recent polls as reported by NBC last night. I believe many may finally be recognizing their enemy and they is them ;-)

I began to question that 25 years ago because of Reagan's betrayals of conservative economic policy. Bush the dumbest was the last straw for me. Rs cannot win with their agenda; destruction of the middle class, supporting more tax cuts and asset accumulation for the oligarchy, turning medicare over to private insurance companies to destroy and ending Social Security. They need to invent scarry issues and put out a thick smoke screen to get any voter support. If their base does not see them as necessary to protect them from the evil government they are done for. Too many of their shills are beginning to see the light.
 
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#766 ·
Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?

- GregD

There is no right to privacy when working on Government systems. All electrons are subject to review and are the property of the US Government.

- Smitty_Cabinetshop
Sure, however as we saw recently the party in charge can't be trusted with emails. They went far beyond the scope of their mandate. Asking the next president if she went to bed alone the night of the Benghazi attack was ridiculous. So expect from now on they won't get emails (oops, server crash) or more people will use private ones.

11 hours of grilling got them egg all over their face. Elijah Cummings is my rep and I was yelling with him! Well, mostly in my head.
 
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#767 ·
Very strange….H tells her daughter and Egyptian PM the truth and everyone else a lie about a video. who cares???

We should expect that ALL federal employees follow the rules about using secure email and that all email and documents properly backed up. No major corporation would tolerate this nonsense. Doesn't matter if R or D, follow the rules.

TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS….WHAT IS GOING ON IS NOT RIGHT. I do not care what political party is involved….FIX THE PROBLEMS AND FIRE THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DO THEIR JOBS.

end of rant…sorry
 
#770 ·
Very strange….H tells her daughter and Egyptian PM the truth and everyone else a lie about a video. who cares???

We should expect that ALL federal employees follow the rules about using secure email and that all email and documents properly backed up. No major corporation would tolerate this nonsense. Doesn t matter if R or D, follow the rules.

TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS….WHAT IS GOING ON IS NOT RIGHT. I do not care what political party is involved….FIX THE PROBLEMS AND FIRE THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DO THEIR JOBS.

end of rant…sorry

- Redoak49
I found her explanation quite satisfactory. At the time I found the stupid video a plausible spark. And since then some of the perpetrators said it was the video. Go Hillary!
 
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#771 ·
Lamar Smith and the triumph of partisanship over scientific research.

- muleskinner
That is so sad, they changed the rules so they can go after anyone for any reason.

Perhaps it would have been better if that guy McCarthy had been elected speaker, that way we could still use the same title for this behavior.
 
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#772 ·
Lamar Smith and the triumph of partisanship over scientific research.

- muleskinner

That is so sad, they changed the rules so they can go after anyone for any reason.

Perhaps it would have been better if that guy McCarthy had been elected speaker, that way we could still use the same title for this behavior.

- RobS888
Like I said Rob, they have nothing to run on but fear. "They need to invent scarry issues and put out a thick smoke screen to get any voter support. If their base does not see them as necessary to protect them from the evil government they are done for. Too many of their shills are beginning to see the light."
 
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#773 ·
Regardless of how somebody feels the data may be spun….

Really - - why is it OK that NOAA declares its research Confidential to the government.

Is your work NOT viewed by your boss? Congress funds NOAA.

The wretching about who understands what is a diversion…. WHY IS THE INFORMATION OFF LIMITS TO REVIEW.
How is this OK that NOAA can ignore subpoenas from congress… regardless which side.

I thought we had a "Transparent administration".
That they choose to bury the data and claim confidentiality only fuels suspicion of AGW and the government in general.

Surprised how many people seem to advocate our government work in secret… I suspect when the other party is in charge - they would have a different view of this.
 
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#774 · (Edited by Moderator)
Does one loose all privacy rights when one does work for a federal agency?

- GregD
Are you able to keep your work secret from your boss?

If he asks to see your data can you say "nope it's confidential so GFY"
Government agencies are answerable to the people signing their paycheck (congress).

Why should AGW data analysis be a Secret from ANYONE ? Or is it simply because it is a republican asking?

People that have agendas make FOIA requests all the time - - a "you won't support our conclusions so ACCESS DENIED" is not the way our government is supposed to work.
 
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