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Carpenters Pencils why oblong not round?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I had a friend ask "is there anything in the fact that carpenters pencils are elongated oblong as opposed to conventional round?"
I've used them for years and never really thought about it.
I know personally I tend to use a small conventional round pencil for finer work
Anybody have any ideas? Oblong as opposed to conventional round pencils?
Thanks in advance.
Anthony
 
#3 ·
Probably so they don't roll around in your hand while ur using it. I'd personally prefer they make the lead a little harder to break. I use a pen anymore because I can't hardly sharpen the pencils with breaking the lead a few times
 
#5 ·
So they don t roll off the bench and bounce off your boot to the very back where you never see them again.
Also easier to create a flat side to run against work for accurate lines.

- RobbieB
Humorous 1st sentence & I agree with the 2nd.
 
#16 · (Edited by Moderator)
So I was kind of curious and went down the search rat hole and mostly duplicated the previous answers but had to share.

Purports to be the oldest known pencil in existence.
http://www.pencilpages.com/gallery/oldest.htm

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_pencil
Carpenter pencils are also used by builders, because they are suitable for marking on rough surfaces, such as concrete or stone. This shape and lead density aid in marking legible lines with a straight edge that are clear and easy to follow with a saw blade.

I have a vague memory of a Roy Underhill show where he showed some machines and how these were made 150ish years ago…. Can't find the episode.

This weird post
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/half-pencil-layout-friend/

This site has the most I've found
https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Carpenter_pencil/
The flat pencil is one of the oldest pencil types. The first versions were made by hollowing out sticks of juniper wood. A superior technique was discovered: two wooden halves were carved with a groove running down them, a plumbago stick placed in one of the grooves, and the two halves then glued together-essentially the same method in use to this day.
 
#17 · (Edited by Moderator)
I recently visited a pencil factory in Portugal - the pencils are made from two halves routed out (by the dozen on each pass) then the lead (a mix of graphite and clay) is extruded and pressed in, then the halves are joined with glue (also in batches) then they're painted and printed with the makers name and the hardness rating (for normal pencils - I think carpenters ones are straight HB) then they're boxed ready for shipping.
Amazing what you find digging around,

So What the correct answer, all have practical purposes.
A question I would ask is how they drill the rectangular hole to get the lead in!!
Maybe a very small Hollow Chisel Morticer!
And finally why cant you have yellow?

- robscastle
 
#19 · (Edited by Moderator)
Yo! Now check all that good info out!,
I need to check with the WW Master GRBHunter as I think he may have been refering to the lead colour (correct spelling BTW) being yellow as I also have yellow pencils .

In fact A1Jim may have a rouer or ten but I tipping I have more pencils than him!!

Ive got Blue ones red ones green ones and of course a "couple" of yellow ones.

Not to be missed some oval ones as well !

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I must say the humble pencil sure has some very interesting background history, I only hope it filters back to HK!

Also I just noticed My post should have read "So what's the correct answer", not what looks to be a flippant answer "So What"

For all those whom believe the pencil is mightier that the sword (saw) you have all done very well!
 

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#21 ·
This site has the most I ve found
https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Carpenter_pencil/
The flat pencil is one of the oldest pencil types. The first versions were made by hollowing out sticks of juniper wood. A superior technique was discovered: two wooden halves were carved with a groove running down them, a plumbago stick placed in one of the grooves, and the two halves then glued together-essentially the same method in use to this day.

- sepeck
Cheers , Id say your in front with this link,