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I was recently given a small bench top lathe, and I've really found it to be useful. However, the 12" spindle length is very limiting. I've be shopping for a full size lathe that I'd like to use to turn chair parts, but I have two issues with purchasing a full size lathe right now:

1. They are expensive - it seems like all of the decent used ones I can find are around $350 to $500. That's a big chunk of change for me right now. I could see myself making that sort of purchase maybe in the next couple years, but I have leg blanks that are nearly dry right now, and don't I don't really want to wait..

2. They heavy and difficult to move. I am renting a house with a basement, and I have already built a simple mdf bench, and acquired a 14" bandsaw. I don't want to make my move from this house any more difficult that it is already going to be.

A spring pole lathe I could potentially build mostly from a 2×12 based on plans from Roy Underhill, and
I could build it in such a way that it will easily disassemble when I need to move.

Disadvantage is obviously that it will be slower and less powerful than an electric lathe, and I'm not certain that the turning tools that I currently own will work on a treadle lathe. That might be a deal breaker - if I need to spend a bunch of time or money making buying gouges that will work with the pole lathe it may not be worthwhile.

I'd love to hear input from folks who have made and used a pole lathe. What am I not seeing? Should I just shape my chair legs with a draw knife and spokeshave like I was planning to do, and save up for a proper lathe? Would a pole lathe build be a waste of time and effort? Or is it usable and worthwhile for my small shop?
 
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I would say maybe you'd be better off finding a cheaper used lathe unless you like the idea of using muscle power and getting some exercise.

That said, I used bungee cords instead of a pole for mine because I didn't have anything handy to make a good pole from and it fit well in the smaller space of my basement shop. I also made mine to use the bench and be removable as per this article:
http://www.greenwoodworking.com/EndVicePoleLatheArticle

One thing that might be obvious to everyone else is that the centers need to be as perfectly aligned as you can get or they will hollow out the wood. I didn't think of that and have to spend some more time tweaking it. I haven't used it a lot because I haven't done that yet. You can use the same chisels though. Another option is to make a treadle lathe with a flywheel, Roy has made some plans for those too, I think in one of his books, or maybe it was published in a magazine. The benefit of the treadle lathe is that you don't get the back and forth reciprocal action that you do on a spring pole design where you can only cut half the time.
 
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I see quite a few lathes on clist that would work for spindle turning for less then $200. As little as 6" swing would do table and chair legs - you jest need length. No need for vfd or anything fancy - stepped pulleys or Reeves drive would be fine. Check out HF 34706 - more than enough lathe.
 
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A treadle lathe seems like a more complicated build than a pole lathe. Plus I'll have to find a flywheel… I had considered the harbor freight lathe. But I read a few bad reviews. A few good ones too. I'll have to think about that one a bit.

I'd hate to drop 100 or so on an old craigslist spindle lathe and then not be happy with it - plus I would eventually like to turn some bowls when I do buy a full size lathe.

Good to know that pole lathe can be fussy to get working or properly too. Thanks for your input. Will keep thinking about it.
 
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Love my spring pole lathe. It's awesome. Cost me about 25$ to build, not quite sure of the actual number cause a lot of the material was scrap. I use a bungee, because the pole was hitting the ceiling making a terrible racket. Super simple and actually a lot of fun. It did take a little tweaking, but after that it sure runs well. I actually made mine as a knock down. It folds up when not in use, and one side fits into one of my vises. Bowls were a bit more difficult to learn, but now that's not too difficult either. I have to disagree with the above assertion that it is "ridiculously antiquated". Simple yes, but I guess that means all hand tools are "ridiculously antiquated." Would I start a spindle factory for my lathe or use it for mass production work…no. But for all the projects I've had, It's performed well.
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Mine seems to work well … I've had a lot of fun with it over the years. Just completed a rather nice piece with turned legs … but then again … fun and beauty is in the eyes of the beholder!

William & Mary Prie Dieu

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... I use turning tools, chisels, files,, rasps, and sandpaper with my lathe!
 

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Given your constraints, consider rigging up a lathe based on a hand drill. Even the most primitive design should be sufficient to turn your chair parts.

My first "lathe" was my bench-top drill press, turned on it's side. I turned some wands for a Harry Potter party. It worked well enough that I got the bug and got a proper lathe.

From what I've seen of spring pole lathes, they require a different technique than with a treadle or motor powered lathe. Now that I've turned on a powered lathe, the spring pole lathe doesn't seem so compelling. For that matter, a rigged lathe isn't so compelling either, given that you can get a usable lathe for a couple hundred bucks. But I understand the hesitation to commit the time, money, and space to a full-sized lathe.

The Excelsior Mini-Lathe is on sale right now at Rockler. I recommend it if the HF #34706 is too big for your needs. Essentially the same as the HF 65345, but black instead of green. It's more refined than the 34706, but smaller and is 5 speed (you have to move the belt on the pulley to change speed)

I keep wondering how many pepper mills I need to turn in order to afford an American Beauty…but I digress.
 
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I had a "proper" lathe some years ago….....how many light pulls do you want to make? Got rid after about a year. During lockdown I used some scrap timber to make a bungee powered lathe and turned a sapele bowl using ordinary hand chisels and a carving gouge. That was interesting, so I bought some joist timber 6×2 and 4×2 and made another (more solid) machine…..then bought a 1/4" (UK measurement) bowl gouge and have just finished a couple more bowls. I guess if you like the 'process' more than the 'result' a pedal lathe is good. I certainly brings its own challenges but at least is not going to throw tools and wood around the work shop…..if you get a dig-in, it just stops…..... All good!
 
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Yea how'd this get dug up? Since then I built the lathe, turned Windsor rocking chair parts on it, turned a bowl (didn't enjoy it), coffee table legs, ladder back chair tenons, a few other odds and ends. Then in the last couple months I bought a powered lathe! I liked the spring pole a lot, but I had a kid and bought a house, so there were some things I just needed to get done, power lathe is much faster. I'm glad I learned to turn on the spring pole though - I got comfortable with skew chisel on it, so it was much less scary trying to use the skew on my power lathe.
 
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If you are trying to save money by making a spring lathe rather than buying an used one, forget it. You still have to obtain all of the other goodies that complete the collection ie, chucks, chisels, centers, sharpening equipment, etc. The list goes on and on. Have you tried to find a club or a school in your area? HF or Craftsman 113 are not the best investment, but will provide lots of fun and learning until you can afford the upgrade and can be resold at that time.
 
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Is age a factor? At 82 standing on one leg and pushing with the other while trying to use both hands on chisels I would probably fall down. A bad hip would not help mush either. Eye hand coordination is fine but eye, hand leg coordination at an older age might be more taxing. And I would get tired to quickly to finish a project.
But that's me not you.
One of the joys of woodworking in my own shop is doing things how I perceive them, sometimes works sometimes doesn't. Using certain tools rather than others is often the fun.
Do it to your desires and likes, don't listen to us old geezers.
Ron
 
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If you are trying to save money by making a spring lathe rather than buying an used one, forget it. You still have to obtain all of the other goodies that complete the collection ie, chucks, chisels, centers, sharpening equipment, etc. The list goes on and on. Have you tried to find a club or a school in your area? HF or Craftsman 113 are not the best investment, but will provide lots of fun and learning until you can afford the upgrade and can be resold at that time.

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Maybe….but I can't see how you can mount a chuck. Basically a spring/pole/bungee/foot lathe is always turning between centres - pointed rods/bolts - and if you're turning a bowl it still has to be between centres. You end up with a bowl with a central stalk that needs undercutting and breaking off…..... As the lathe power is in the region of 100 watts - about 1/10 HP - you can use ordinary chisels and carving tools. As for rpm…....I'm getting about 2.75 turns per kick and when I started a 10" bowl I was getting less than 30 kicks a minute…..about 80 turns a minute at about 160 rpm. Having said all that, I do use a "proper" bowl gouge at a cost of £40 as it is less aggressive than any of my carving gouges. Truly, it's all doable on the cheap!
 
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