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Blog entry by wichle posted 01-20-2011 04:53 AM 1544 reads 0 times favorited 12 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I have ben doing most of my work on a now 5 year old Dell Laptop. It works as well as it always has. I have updated the memory to 4Gs. Compared with the new computers this is limiting. Also the internal hard drive is skimpy and the processor is slow. Drawing does not seem as effecient as it might be, Soooo time for a decision. Do I buy another PC or migrate to an Apple. Any comments, experience, or other ideas would be appreciated.

-- Bill, Michigan "People don't come preassebled, but are glued together by life"

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#1 posted 01-20-2011 05:19 AM

I have been doing some form of IT for the last 20+ years. Some time ago our company started leaning toward apple. I have been working with pc’s since windows 3.0 and ibm model 25’s. The learning curve for me was hard. I was used to right click this, get the properties, save as a different format, ect ect … But once you get used to it. You have to think like a child with new eyes. My dad would say k.i.s.s. “keep it simple stupid.” A mac just flows. I only own APPLE products now.The cost is a little more. But the quality is far more.
I was able to strip down a water damaged mac book pro. I want to tell you, the cnc’ed aluminum billet construction was exceptional. The operating system is superb. And there is no job done that someone hasn’t wrote software for a mac.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are."

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#2 posted 01-20-2011 05:43 AM

I am another mac convert. I grew up with DOS and then migrated up through Windows; basically got used to having to troubleshoot a lot of what I did on the computer and the occasional hard disk format with clean install. About 5 years ago was convinced to “try” apple. I haven’t looked back since. It is not flawless, but I’ve had several different Mac’s now and all have run far more smoothly than any Window’s PC I’ve ever owned. Unless Mac gets bought out by Black and Decker or finds some other way to destroy its quality, I’ll never go back to Windows.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#3 posted 01-20-2011 06:39 AM

I concur,
Apple is where I am moving to as my pc based units retire. Lumber jocks on the iPad is a perfect fit.

-- Joe

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#4 posted 01-20-2011 07:18 AM

Apple all the way. I’m a very very heavy computer user (graphics etc.) and most of my headaches went away when I switched.

When you think about cost comparisons, make sure you remember three things:

1—Apples come with a whole bunch of things you’d have to buy on a PC… including photo and movie software etc. So make sure you consider those costs when people tell you the mac is “more expensive”

2—The hardware is exceptional. Best and most durable machine made. (Many are machined out of a single block of aluminum!) I switched to Apple after replacing the keyboard on my Dell for the fifth time.

3—Macs age much more gracefully. And every time a new operating system is released, older machines get FASTER because of the improvements. (With Windows, it’s the opposite.)

One thing to consider though: an iPad with a keyboard might suit your needs ENTIRELY. Unless you’d doing something complex and mouse oriented (like Sketchup or Photoshop work) then the iPad can really be an excellent fit. We have four computers in our house (all macs now) and three of them could easily be replaced with iPads and everyone would be happier. (And yes, I have an iPad, so I know whereof I speak! :-) There is one notable exception though: a lot of online video is still in flash, and the iPad can’t play flash…. people are switching over though to iPad compatible video pretty quickly…

The new iPad is due out in April.

I know very little about handplaning, but quite a lot about this particular subject. If you have questions, I might for once be able to contribute something of value to Lumberjocks!

-- --Thiel

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#5 posted 01-20-2011 04:58 PM

Also moving (slowly) from PC’s to Apple. My biggest reason: viruses! As the goto guy for my friends, I am getting extremely sick of cleaning PC’s of viruses/spyware!

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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#6 posted 01-20-2011 05:44 PM

I do this for a living, I sell both Apple, Windows and Lynix systems.

You know how to use Windows. Windows has finally reached a point were it is dependable, Windows 7 is light years above previous versions.

Excellent Windows computers are now in the $500 to $800 range, Apples START at $1200 why do you want to pay more?

You say you have been using the computer that you currently have for 5 years, I am sure you have software that you have purchased, and are familiar with, in addition to what came with the computer. You will have to buy all new and relearn how to use it.

One thing the “Apple is the way to go ” bunch forget, overlook, or have not used Apple long enough to know is that just about every other new OS release none of your old software will not work and you will have to refresh everything if you can, the Apple software catalog is limited. Of course you can always buy Parallels or an other Visualizer, Windows 7 and dual boot the machine another suggestion that the Apple fans suggest.

I agree that the iPad is a great web reader, I have one, i use it in the shop to look stuff up or watch videos from the web, but it is not my primary computer for CAD, or spreadsheets or interfacing with my corporate databases.

I have a Mac mini that runs my entertainment center yes I has video built in but I still added, and prefer, Microsoft Media Center it is much easier to use and more versital that Front Row.

EEngineer there are Apple virus and in the next couple of years there will be more, people are people and they are writing them even as we sit here, there just was not enough Apples to make designing a virus fun before now.

If you get more than the opening price point the quality of a Windows based machine goes. Way up equaling or surpassing Apple much less cost, in addition I have customers with two year old mac pros that have had video problems and can not get a replacement card, they had to buy a whole new machine.

Manitairo you left too soon you should come back and try Windows 7.

I do sell more Apple than many of my compatriots and shake my head in wonder, with the huge sales in their appliances, iPad, Iphone how much longer before the Traditional computers follow the Xservers and no longer are interesting to top management and are dropped?

All things to keep in mind.

-- Trying to find an answer to my son’s question: “…and forming organic cellulose by spinning it on its axis is interesting, why?”

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#7 posted 01-20-2011 06:34 PM

Mac. You’ll never go back. It will take a week or so to get used to it but the difference is amazing. This coming from someone who repaired and built pc’s for a second job. Never again will our family purchase a non-apple computer.

As far as viruses, yes there will most likely be more in the future. However, here and now, they are not an issue on the Mac platform.

The hardware is so much better. I challenge anyone to open up any Windows based laptop side by side with a Macbook. There is NO comparison on the quality of the parts that are inside. Yes, there have been issues with NVIDIA video cards which required motherboard replacements. Most have found that Apple has stood by them and replaced at no cost (Myself included). In fact, my Macbook Pro, had one of the failed NVIDIA cards. Apple replaced the motherboard at no cost to me. AND I purchased it USED! Remember, NVIDIA failures occurred on both PC and Mac products. I have another laptop that my Son in Law purchased from HP. Same NVIDIA failure. HP won’t touch it. Have since toyed with Hackintosh and used that very computer that won’t even boot with Windows (the hardware failure is flagged by Windows and will not boot, even if replaced; have done this many times and I have the certifications to back my work). That failed laptop runs with Hackintosh software! Geeky? Yes. But the point is the Apple platform is so much better.

I do all of my work on a 4 year old Macbook Pro that is in NO WAY outdated.Try doing that on even a 2 or 3 year old windows laptop.

-- If You Haven't Got the Time to Do It Right, When Will You Find the Time to Do It Over?

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#8 posted 01-21-2011 03:29 AM

Couple things I’ll point out:

—Macs start at $699—not $1200. While an apples to oranges comparison makes them twice as much as a PC, an apples to apples comparison brings it closer to a 15% premium… which you’ll make back on longevity and upgrade costs (windows upgrades are typically $100+, mac upgrades are usually $29)

—You appear to be within close driving distance of an Apple store. This is a HUGE PLUS. If you have a problem—regardless of your warranty status—you can bring your machine in and get help. The warranty allows you to make a reservation, but without it you get free first come first served assistance at the Apple store. Try that with ANY pc.

—I own four macs and typically upgrade the OS as soon as it’s available. In all the years i’ve had them, I’ve only had a single instance of software not working after the upgrade… and it took about a week to receive the free update to that.

—People say the Mac software catalog is limited… and it’s definitely smaller than Windows catalog. I’m an expert Windows user…and I have not had a single app that I used on Windows that I could not find on mac. More, I use a lot more freeware and shareware on my mac because it’s safer to install and easier to manage. I have a lot more tools available to me on mac than I ever had on windows.

—Macs don’t get viruses YET (and they will), but malware is a bigger concern for computing. The windows software catalog is DANGEROUS. Millions of apps which might contain malware or will leave all sorts of crap on your machine after you uninstall. Not so with a mac… they stay clean when you uninstall stuff—and installs are as easy as dragging and dropping a file. No “wizard” needed. Add in the recently launched Mac App Store which automatically vets software to ensure its safe—and will provide you with installs and upgrades on up to five machines, and it’s a MUCH MUCH MUCH easier environment to work in. (Not to mention that the Mac Apps store is like honey to software programmers… I suspect the catalog to grow huge quickly). I would not want to own a windows machine ever again—too much maintenance…

—Last but not least, Macs play better with other systems. For years, I had the only mac in my office (with about 100 PCs). No one knew any different. I never had a problem accessing any networks, servers, etc.

-- --Thiel

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#9 posted 01-21-2011 03:42 AM

mac 6 pc 1

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are."

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#10 posted 01-21-2011 05:23 AM

If your monitor is good, look at “computer only” buys to get more bang for your budget.

For most efficient operating system, look at Linux. Drawback is getting software to play well with the two giants, but it is out there. For most business and home daily chores, Open Office will do anything the giants offer and will read there products.


-- Go

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#11 posted 01-21-2011 06:00 PM


-- Mike P., Arkansas,

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#12 posted 01-24-2011 01:35 AM

Blackpearl, I appreciate your perspective, but why fix what ain’t broken? I used windows right from the very beginning and was an ardent supporter for a long time, but eventually I got tired of the same old song and dance from Microsoft; ie. their next version will fix all the problems, the next version will run great etc. If you look at their version history though, you see a lot of crap releases between marginally better versions, eg. b/t Windows 98 and Windows XP (which was only a slight improv. over 98 anyways) we suffered through Windows Millenium version then Windows 2000 (which was supposed to be the fix for Windows ME). Then 2003 comes along and we get XP, great, but have to then wait another 7 years for a new version that works, and suffer through Windows Vista in the meantime. Instead, I’ve had a mac for 4 years, had 3 operating system upgrades and have been happy with each of them.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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