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05-15-2015 12:03 AM

I just got my first jointer and planer (Jet 8” HH jointer and 15” HH planer) – I understand the risks and ugliness that can accompany end grain planing, so I do plan on avoiding that. I’m curious, though, would there be a lessened risk with helical head vs straight blade?

Second question – I wasn’t thinking and glued up a nice board with hard maple, walnut and cherry strips, long grain, but such that passing it through the planer would put the grain perpendicular to the cutting head. Would this be akin to end grain planing from an ‘exploding board’ possibility? Worst case I’ll have to cut it down width wise to 14” or so and run it through correctly – it’ll just be a lot of waste which is unfortunate.

First things first though, I had the two 230v 30a circuits installed today and have friends coming by to help assemble the units. Then to calibrate with my new Woodpecker straightedge. Much to learn!

Thanks in advance for the advice!


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#1 posted 05-15-2015 01:47 AM

Sorry, I don’t have an answer to your questions….

I do have…. A hearty welcome aboard!!!
This is a great place for all things woodworking.

That and I’m very jealous of your jointer & planer!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#2 posted 05-15-2015 01:47 AM

I wouldn’t even try it with a planer. Your best best in both cases would be to use a well sharpened low angle plane or a scraper followed by laborious amounts of sanding.

-- Do or do not...there is no try - Master Yoda

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#3 posted 05-15-2015 01:51 AM

Or find a cabinet shop with a wide belt sander.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#4 posted 05-15-2015 02:03 AM

I won’t run end grain thru my planer, other than knots. No avoiding that. Helical, theoretically would be better since there’s a shearing action, but I bet it’s still a lot harder on the planer. Many here have posted good success with planing end grain.

I’m not understanding the end grain that’s not end grain.

Welcome to LJ.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#5 posted 05-15-2015 02:12 AM

Well…if you screwed up and made the board the wrong size, I would rip it into two or more pieces to make smaller ones you can plane properly. Then with your new experience at gluing up boards, you can re-do it with a new glue up. Just make sure the long side is a little less than the width of your planer.

Here is one I made, but I must admit I used a drum sander to sand it smooth after the glue up.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#6 posted 05-15-2015 02:31 AM

Geez, new to woodworking and you have more in those two awesome tools than my whole shop, makes me sad for being a cheap/broke woodworker haha. I was browsing grizzly’s website today drooling over their 8” hh jointers, I want one soooooooooo bad.

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#7 posted 05-15-2015 02:40 AM

Thanks guys… I happened upon about $4k in Amazon gift cards that I won – and Amazon sold both of these items, free shipping. How could I resist?

I also bought the Kreg router table system and just built their cabinet for it and installed a Bosch 1617 router in the table. Need to figure out a router lift system, but like I say, I’m just learning this stuff.

I was going to get the standard starter Dewalt planer, but then this bit of luck hit, and I was fortunate enough to get the good stuff up front and not have to dream :-)

And as far as the ‘end grain that isn’t end grain’ – sorry I mis-described. I basically made the board such that it is wider than my planer when running it with the grain. Instead, it would go in ‘sideways’ where the cutter head was parallel to the grain vs. perpendicular. Does that makes sense? What’s it called? Sidegrain? long grain? Sorry – still learning but having a lot of fun so far.

Thanks for the warm welcomes as well. This looks like an awesome community.


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#8 posted 05-15-2015 02:43 AM

MT_Stringer I love that board. I need to learn how to route a channel like that without overrunning the edges. I’m sure there’s a simple way to do this with a plunge router and a guide and a cove bit? Love the idea of catching the juices. I cook (a lot) and I’m also an ex-pro photographer by trade so I admire your L glass up there. Looks like the trusty 100-400L push/pull… the new 100-400L II is absolutely amazing and not so soft wide open… but that’s a different forum :-)

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#9 posted 05-15-2015 03:03 AM

Ok, I get it. Kind of figured it out and that you meant to say parallel. That question has never come up that I’ve seen. I have no idea what that would do. Probably wouldn’t cut very clean. Maybe if you skew it as much as possible and send it through it would be better.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#10 posted 05-15-2015 04:37 AM

I have run end grain hard maple cutting boards thru my powermatic HH.Only took a light cut and chamfered the back edge to keep the side from breaking off.I wouldn’t try it with straight knives.
Honesty it didn’t seem too much differant than planing Hickory or mesquite.

-- Aj

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#11 posted 05-15-2015 04:53 AM

I knew right away about the “parallel grain”. I planed 2 boards about 12-1/2” square with my Ridgid TPT1300, perpendicular and parallel, and I ended up with a nice little pile of tinder on the parallel passes, that lasted me for the next several fires. The boards planed just fine. Whether any dust collector could handle it, that’s another matter entirely.
Almost like what happened in this video, but w/o any static.

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#12 posted 05-15-2015 05:36 AM

Thanks Splatman – well I got the planer running. Was a little disappointed in Jet for the money that the dust chute didn’t fit quite right and took some convincing, there is a wobble from one of the casters being about 1/8” high and worst of all the belts were nearly floppy loose. I fired it up and they were slipping, squealing and burning. Not good. Got them tightened up (major, major adjustment) and it seemed to do well afterwards.

First impression – no snipe? Can’t be. I’ve heard there is ALWAYS snipe. But so far – none. I liked the tables up dead accurate with a Woodpecker straight edge but hey.

Anyways – I had two boards I had built – one long grain headed into the planer and the parallel one. Well I’m pleased to report that both came out amazingly smooth and ready for final sanding. On the ‘wide’ grain board there was crazy tearout at the end as you would expect, but it was easily cleaned up on the table saw. Otherwise I’m pretty impressed at how nicely it ended up, where I had nearly written it off.

Anyways, thanks everyone for the help. Tomorrow I’ll finish buttoning up the jointer and learn to use it on some walnut and cherry stock I brought home.

Christmas in May :-)

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#13 posted 05-15-2015 11:27 AM

This right here.

We had a 43” wide belt in the second shop I worked at and it will make you cry tears of joy. If you find a shop that will run it it will take 5 minutes to knock it down to size and another 5 if you want it finished in a finer grit. Compare this to hours of scraping. I have done that till my fingers burned. Now I know of a shop that has a wide 3 belt sander that takes off .030 in a pass starting at 80 then 120 then 220 grit. it comes out near perfect after a couple of passes.

Or find a cabinet shop with a wide belt sander.

- TheFridge

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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#14 posted 05-15-2015 12:54 PM

Yes I definitely have belt / drum sander dreams. I need to look around locally.

My shop needs a band saw next, then a spindle sander. Then an upgraded table saw.

Then I need to figure out what the hell I plan on doing with everything :-) But that’s the fun part.

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