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09-21-2014 11:46 PM

We all know the Sawstop is the gold standard by which all other tablesaws are judged. That said, I’m a little hazy on which brands capture the gold standard ribbon on other types of power equipment. I’m guessing Dewalt holds the standard for most of the handheld power tools. How about planers, jointers, bandsaws, etc. Any ideas? Aren’t most of the large power tools built in China?

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#1 posted 09-21-2014 11:51 PM

I guess I missed the memo about saw stop and dewalt…...

Was there a news conference?

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#2 posted 09-22-2014 12:02 AM

Not to start a reaction of comments I think there are other table saws built as well or better than the sawstop. It has the safety feature after that I like my unisaw better. I have access to a sawstop pcs and some things are better on my unisaw. The table extension, blade guard , table size, and controls are better on the unisaw. I will not compare motors because my unisaw has 5hp and the sawstop I use has 1.75hp.

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#3 posted 09-22-2014 12:07 AM

Northfield is the only maker I’m aware of still
producing direct drive “pattermaker” variety

Agazzani has the edge in steel framed band
saws, though Northfield still produces cast
iron ones the way they have for decades.

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#4 posted 09-22-2014 12:12 AM

Loren, very nice. Which category are they the gold standard?

Samurai, I guessed Sawstop and Dewalt based on comments on this site.

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#5 posted 09-22-2014 12:19 AM

Mafell rocks the track saw industry:

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#6 posted 09-22-2014 01:05 AM

Martin is pretty much the best of the best across
the whole product line. Highest prices generally
and best resale value. It’s a little academic for
a site like this because most small shops would not
be able to use a Martin to its capacity and justify
the investment… I think a Martin shaper all tricked
out costs somewhere north of $30k.

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#7 posted 09-22-2014 03:24 AM

How about Delta Milwaukee for 14” bandsaw,Hilty power drill,Porter-Cable for router ,Wadkin British machines .

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#8 posted 09-22-2014 04:15 AM

PC 7518 in the table router. That term I hear over and over.

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#9 posted 09-22-2014 06:39 AM

I’m glad to see we are all of like opinion. Surprising that no one thought Powermatic was worth mentioning. Maybe it’s the cost and there are just not many out there. Retired folk have to watch where their nickels and dimes get spent and there wasn’t much to be spent when still working and fighting the union busting companies. Only the wealthy in America can afford Martin and Powermatic. The rest have to settle for Delta, Grizzly, General, Sears, JC Penney, Walmart, Canadian Tire, etc.

On a side note, did anyone know JoeLydon has his own woodworking site? Surprise to me! I think I’ll join. Good old Joe…

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#10 posted 09-22-2014 08:25 AM

I certainly did not get the memo on the SS either!
Being that the 10” saws are not the right machine for me, and just from observation, The Delta Unisaw appears to be the standard by what others 10” are judged-for better or worse. Often the old PM66 considered a little better.
Bandsaws, The Tannewitz comes to mind.

Compared to what? really good equipment no longer made, Martin, Northfield, industrial machines, or strictly current Asian imports.

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#11 posted 09-22-2014 12:14 PM for lathes.

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#12 posted 09-22-2014 12:50 PM

You really need to specify what area you’re referring to, are we talking home hobbyist shop or commercial?

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#13 posted 09-22-2014 06:54 PM

There are a whole lot of variables that come into play. First question is are we talking current production or not? If not? Second question is are we talking jobsite (where portability is an issue, and 120v power is a limit), large commercial (5 & 6 figure machines), small commercial, serious hobbyist, or DIY or casual user? Portable or not?

There are a few “gold standards” that can reasonably be identified:

Lamello for biscuit joiners.
SawStop for tablesaw safety.

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#14 posted 09-22-2014 07:26 PM

I hope that I don’t get trashed for these but these are a few of my choices for the broad hobbyist market.
This is my two cents worth: for me, as a hobbyist (Leaving out Festool which are probably the “gold standard” in terms of quality, but you need a large standard amount of gold to buy them. Too pricey for me, IMHO)

Table router motors: PC 7518
Router Lifts: Jessum or Woodpeckers
Table saw: Powermatic 66 or Delta Unisaw ( I own a Griz)
Hand held router: Bosch 1617EVS or older PC 690
Drill Press: Powermatic 2800 or 1792800B or Delta 18-900L (have the PM 2800. saved and splurged)
12” Slider Compound Miter Saw: Bosch GCM12SD ( Don’t have – but covet)
12” Non Slider: Dewalt 715
Planer : Dewalt DW 735 ( price and floor space being the great factors over the 15” and 20” models)
Router Table Fence: Incra LS w/ Wonder Fence
TS Fence: Biesemeyer or Incra
ROS: Bosch ROS65VCL ( I have a couple older PC Porter Cable 382 plus 1 of the little squat PCs which is trash)
Jointer: Powermatic or Delta 8” Griz 6 or 8 inch are great values though in price v quality, IMHO

DKV is right though, most of us buy what we can afford and make it work, and if we want top or near top of the line, we have to save up our dough until we can get the brass ring while we are still working. After retirement, we are pretty much stuck with what we have, the economy being what it has been for the last 10-12 years.

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#15 posted 09-22-2014 08:17 PM

You can put my vote in for Powermatic, Jet, PC, Milwaukee, and Bosch. Minor vote for DeWalt.

PM2000-finest table saw I’ve ever worked with
PM15-HH Planer-rock solid
Jet DC and Drill Press-great machines
Porter Cable Routers, saws, sanders-most have the Made in USA badges
Milwaukee cordless and corded hand tools-no complaints
Bosch hand tools-great tools
DeWalt 735, SCMS, and jobsite table saw-reliable

Too many others to list, I have a 2400 sq ft shop with 2 employees and we buy to use. Cheap tools are no bargain for me.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas....

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