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01-07-2014 04:50 AM

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Before I start let me say I don’t dislike dogs or people who own them,I have had many dogs they were considered treasured members of our family.
I know many people may disagree with me but I think that our love of dogs have gone overboard with people treating dogs and other pets like people. They dress dogs up like people,they address them as if there,their children and take them places were in my opinion dogs don’t belong ,by tucking them in their purses or inside thier coats and even wheel them into stores in strollers like little babies. What brought this to mind is a recent trip to Walmart were I saw a total of 6 dogs in the store that were clearly not service dogs. One of them was barking,after seeing a shocked look on a ladies face it made me think what if there was someone deathly afraid of dogs close by as one of my relative is. It seems that many times we value or dogs more than humans. In San Francisco they have passed a law stating that it’s against the law to even call dogs pets. It seems to me this is a phenomena that only occurs in the United States ,or is this every where in the world. Again I don’t dislike dogs ,but I feel they have their place this means their not in little dresses,strollers or setting in the child’s seat of a super market basket. I know all of these things presents no harm to myself other than make me think our society is in a down word spiral ,what happen to helping the sick,the poor or our next door neighbor instead of dressing up our dogs to go to anothers dog’s birthday party

What’s your take on this?

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#1 posted 01-07-2014 05:54 AM

A1Jim, I believe it was Santa Cruz, not San Francisco that did the name change but as for the rest of your post, I totally agree with you.

My son works at a big box store and he would like to tell people to leave their pets at home, dogs, parakeets, and lizards but the management does no want to “turn off” shopping experience to the customers.

Of course there is also the other extreme of mistreated pets or those being trained for fighting. It appears that people have to go over board and cannot live in the mainstream.

We have had three dogs in our married life and they were pets, not children, and we kept them as that so that we both could keep our dignity.

In that same time period we have also had three cats and they were also kept as cats as we know they must keep their dignity above all!

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#2 posted 01-07-2014 05:54 AM

See my post Shop Dogs on my project page to see how many chimed in to comment. Kind of a sore subject right now as just 3 weeks ago we had to put our beloved Maggie to sleep. She just wore out, could not use her back legs for the last few days but would still manage to get to my bedside to sleep at night after I went to bed. Yes, she was a service dog. A few months before I got her (adopted from a job site) my house was robbed. A big smart dog will keep you and your property safe! Even though she never bit or attacked anyone, she made a few grown men pee their pants while roaming around my property without permission before I came out to ask what their business here was! She would rear up and dance with the kids to music if they held her front paws, she was a mother to 8 kittens and the guinea pig too. Smart enough to run off the raccoons but not attack them, could tell if I was sad and would come to my side to comfort me. Never had to tie her up, she just was always there in the yard. Sorry for the rant but feels good to vent some. Some say the pain of letting a good dog go makes you wish you never had them at all, I would not trade our time for anything and will miss my Mag pie forever.
I do agree with you about rude behavior type dogs, begging, barking or the worst attacking! How a dog behaves is a reflection of how the owner raised and treats it. I love little dogs too but the bigger the dog, the bigger the brain. Foo Foo dogs don’t make sense to me but they sure are cute and chick magnets too. Dogs need to be trained to know their place in the home and they are happy with it.

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#3 posted 01-07-2014 05:56 AM

I agree people do go overboard but I also love dogs and feel they are a good investment. A lot of love for a few bucks a month. I had a gentle old Lab and everyday he went to our family business with me. 80% of my customers loved him and I would say 15-17% didn’t mind him.

It was very clear that 1% of people didn’t like dogs and let me know it! I thought about it and decided I would much rather replace 1% of my customers than not bring my dog and so I tried to be polite but just didn’t care what this small percentage thought. My dog died last year, but to this day have a strong base of loyal dog-owning customers who as soon as they arrive let their dog out and know they are in friendly territory. So I don’t disagree some people go overboard but I’m confident my love for gentle/friendly dogs has been good for business!

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#4 posted 01-07-2014 06:08 AM

I would bet you aren’t hurting many feelings on this site. I think you are spot on with your assessment. Dogs can be useful companions and pets. They can help us herd, hunt, protect our property and beg us to take them on walks so maybe we can burn off that Christmas candy ;). All jokes aside though, my motto is that if I am going to pay for an animal and take care of it, the dog needs to be giving me something in return. This whole pay $3000 for a fancy dog that sits on the floor all day is beyond me. If the dog isn’t doing something for me, I don’t get why I would dish out my hard earned cash to keep it around. Again, I think dogs can be plenty useful, especially special needs dogs, bomb squad dogs, and dogs that aid disabled people (sorry I don’t know the technical term). I am all for wonderful and useful dogs, but I could live without the useless ones.

Just so you know, I am a 25 yr old middle-upper class white guy who hangs out with a TON of people who adore their useless dogs and treat them like children. This includes taking them into everyone’s houses and cars without so much as a “hey do you mind if I bring the dog over?”. Then the dog does its business in the brand new truck or on the floor and nobody even feels bad about it. Kind of hacks me off. They haven’t gotten me yet and I don’t plan on giving in. I have actually gone on a few tirades about this recently, as you may be able to ascertain…

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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#5 posted 01-07-2014 06:10 AM

studie and Ltwud
I’m really sorry for your loss ,pets do become family members and are loved by family members and my self and my family have greeved for a lost loved pet. My post was not to say dogs or any pet do not have value ,it’s meant to say that I feel the pet owners lose sight that these dear friends are pets not people. Of course I would never excuse or condone any abuse of a poor animal of any kind.

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#6 posted 01-07-2014 06:16 AM

well jim you have made a very good observation and human and pet relations goes over the board to much, if there going to dress them and have there hair and nails done, take them to the best, if you have company over for dinner, then for goodness sake, set a plate right in the middle so that they can become more aquatinted, a little hair in your food wont hurt…its fiber isn’t it, one time we had company over, we had coco greeting them at the door and some people were rude and just walked by, and being a little stinker, went over to where there;s were for dinner, and he ripped a real loud one, a few of us were having a hoot, then it got really lively, they were dressed like thet were going to a really hip bar, short skirts and in many cases no who was there was ginger, she is a bloodhound, and a week before the party had just had her babies, i think she had 11 or 12, but man she was hanging to the floor from all that sucking…but i guess i really go agree with what your saying jim..i see couples that have just there dogs, and dont plan on children….i was joking above this, youi know its sad when animals take the place of our children…one can easily link this to other acts of immorality, but this is not the place, thais if i want to continue to be a member here, im sure glad my mom and dad decided to have us as a family, our pets we had were loved, nut they knew there place, and were well behaved..we put them in there kennels when were having dinners with friends, there pretty goo, but my big dog molly will get close and stair, makes you feel uncomfortable if everyone treated others as nice as we do our pets, the world would be getter off, there is so much crime and murder going on…if families were stable snf taught them the lords commandments, as a guide in there life, they would not have the feelings of wanting to create crime’s , Jesus Christ in out Lord and redeemer, He is our teacher, if we all lived by those commandments , oh my would the world be so so much better, i wont continue here, if anyone who reads this and wants to know more about following him, i would try to help [email protected]

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#7 posted 01-07-2014 06:36 AM

back to the real subject, ive had cats and dogs for as long as i can remember, ive had to put two of them down because of circumstance..but i love them dearly in fact my molly girl is snuggled up on the bed and she gives me those big brown eyes and coco my dachshund who is getting to be pretty old for a dog, sleeps in the living room on her special blanket, but i alway make sure thy don’t try to love on our friends to much but if your a stranger then you best stay back, molly does not like new folks and it takes a minute for her to see your ok, but someone better not try anything here, she can go from love and cute to nice white teeth and things will happen, i love my dogs and cats, but i don’t go overboard,

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#8 posted 01-07-2014 08:01 AM

Our old girl has 5 acres to supervise while we’re away.

When a dog watches you eat….. they are really deep in prayer.

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#9 posted 01-07-2014 08:15 AM

+1 Jim. Love my dogs, but they’re are still dogs. Lady Bug even got credit for one save on the house, one save on my son’s ‘95 Mustang and 1/2 a save on the tools in my truck. She had them on the run before I got there with the persuasion. Maybe I should up her to 3/4 credit. It would have been very inconvenient to have to use persuasion.

This subject of clothing animals reminds me of what my dad used to say about horse blankets. “God put hair on horses for a reason.”

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#10 posted 01-07-2014 01:25 PM

don’t you wuv me?

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#11 posted 01-07-2014 01:29 PM

Reminds me of our old Golden retriever,he sure was a good old guy.

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#12 posted 01-07-2014 01:31 PM

It’s a real dilemma, Jim. I luv animals too, but, I feel the same way

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#13 posted 01-07-2014 01:44 PM

I agree Jim, a dog has it’s place and that shouldn’t be in a handbag.

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#14 posted 01-07-2014 01:54 PM

Dogs are simply dogs. The few years I’ve been without one or two were incomplete years of my life.
Working dogs are great and I admire them, their trainers and owners. My dogs have just been friends.
People who dress up their dogs are misguided. The closest we come to dressing our dogs is their “Bras” that their leashes attach to.
I’ve never owned a “breed”. All mine have been rescued mongrels. Somehow. I think they appreciate being rescued. I’ve never owned a mean dog.

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#15 posted 01-07-2014 02:10 PM

by tucking them in their purses or inside their coats and even wheel them into stores in strollers like little babies.
If it fits in a purse, stroller, or your coat, it’s not a dog. It’s a domesticated rat.

What brought this to mind is a recent trip to Walmart were I saw a total of 6 dogs in the store that were clearly not service dogs.
Well it’s Walmart, not Neiman Marcus. They do attract a certain type of clientele. Try visiting around 3 am and you’ll see animals usually only found on a farm or in a zoo. In Georgia – I kid you not – I once came across a middle-aged lady in a bikini, tennis shoes with socks, and a large snake draped over her shoulders.

In San Francisco they have passed a law stating that it’s against the law to even call dogs pets.

San Francisco – ‘nuff said.

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