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Forum topic by mission76 posted 10-02-2008 08:02 AM 5761 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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mission76

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10-02-2008 08:02 AM

Does anyone actually belong to this “club”. I got an unsolicited dvd in the mail today from them. As tempted as I am to just throw it away I looked at the back and it might be something worth watching. Anyway I then read the enclosed letter and it basically seems to be a bookclub that sends woodworking dvd’s every other month or so. Just wondering if this is some sort of scam or are they a legit respected company.


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coloradoclimber

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#1 posted 10-02-2008 08:20 AM

I got one of these today, same as you almost threw it away. I started to watch it, it wasn’t too bad. For $13 I wouldn’t feel too bad, BUT, the letter says this is an introductory price and the future dvds are non-introductory priced plus shipping. For $13 or so every couple months I might be interested, probably not interested for much more than that plus shipping. I went to the website and can’t find any listing of future titles or what to expect. I suspect this is just getting started and there might not be any future titles put together yet.

It doesn’t look like it could be much of a scam. They send you the dvd, if you like it, you keep it, you pay for it. If you don’t like it you send it back. It didn’t look like you were committed to buy anything. The first one could be a freebie since it is unsolicited but they ask you to pay for it if you like it. Sounds like the same model for the rest of the disks. The downside would be if you consistently dont want the new dvds you would need to send them back or pay for them.

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#2 posted 10-02-2008 11:17 AM

maybe not a scam.. but do you really need random dvds for a price?

-- making sawdust....

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#3 posted 10-04-2008 08:22 PM

Everyone does realize that they can just keept he DVD and NOT pay for it, right? US Postal code basically says that anything sent you unsolicited can be considered a gift, no need to return OR pay

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#4 posted 01-12-2009 01:46 AM

I would stay far away from this organization.

Title 39, U.S. Code, Section 3009, deals with unsolicited items sent in the mail. Basically, it is a gift to you. But this group continues to send dunning letters asking repeatedly for you to send the DVD back or join up.

Their actions may be an unfair trade practice, and a violation of Federal law dealing with mailed material.

An organization low enough to continue to ask for the item back, when they (or their lawyers) know full well it’s a gift that they sent, is not an organization to be trusted.

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poopiekat

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#5 posted 01-12-2009 02:05 AM

Kinda reminds me of “Columbia Record Club of old, they’d send you their ‘pick of the month’, usually some overstocked wretched album that nobody wants, and once you’ve gotten your first 13 albums for a penny, you were hooked in. Columbia had this mysterious way of finding me no matter where I moved; I went from NH to AZ for a year without telling anybody….Columbia was sending me monthly offers to me by name within 3 weeks of moving there…. and for at least 10 years after. NOBODY knew I was in Arizona!!! But they found me. I recall also a shady outfit that informed people that they were ‘official members’ of a Fishing Club…and you owed them dues and magazine subscription charges in return for your ‘membership’.
A marketing firm that tries to pass itself off as a Guild?...well that’s just plain wrong!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#6 posted 01-12-2009 02:26 AM

Where I live it’s difficult to source out bits of hardware, tooling, and supplies, so I am registered with a lot of mail-order woodworking supply houses. When providing personal information, I will very often use my cat’s name, ‘Ginger’ or will misspell my own name, some unique error so that if unsolicited stuff comes my way, I’ll know exactly where they got my information from. This is what I believe happened to Mission76 in his original post. Go to trade shows? Don’t fill out those contest entry forms with your real name. It is virtually always a ploy to develop a mailing list of hot prospects, prescreened to be live wires, after all you attended the trade show! (Yeah, the drawings and prizes may be legit, but they got you into their database!) Always, when furnishing personal information to anybody, screw up your name a little bit, give a nickname you’ve never been called, misspell your street name slightly, (Demming Ave instead of Deming Ave, i.e.) or provide some other recognizable clue so that when you get mysterious correspondence, you’ll know where they got your name/address.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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gene

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#7 posted 01-12-2009 03:03 AM

A fairly nice DVD. I received mine about 3 weeks before Christmas and after checking it out, I put it back and forgot about it. They did remind me after about a month and I just mailed mine back yesterday.
I don’t have the time to view them when they come, to see if I want to buy them or not. (LOL) I can’t find time to do everything that my better half wants done now. They should advertise here on LJ’s instead of just mailing them out. They could use the money that they are loosing on the mail, paper work, printing cost, and un-returned disk to cover the cost. They would be targeting the right group here.
And (YES !) reminds me of “Columbia Record Club of old and I think I had an awful time canceling that membership.

-- Gene, a Christian in Virginia

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Peter Oxley

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#8 posted 01-12-2009 04:24 AM

I watched my DVD … most of the info was pretty basic, but it seemed pretty well put together. I didn’t feel like the DVD was telling me anything I didn’t already know (and I disagreed with a couple of things), so I sent it back. I might have looked at some other DVDs, but it was either “keep the first and get some more” or “send back the first and goodbye to you”. I don’t spend much time in front of the TV anyway.

-- http://www.peteroxley.com/woodworking -- http://north40studios.etsy.com --

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#9 posted 01-12-2009 05:20 PM

Here’s the catch: If you mail back the DVD they know you opened it and therefore are a warm body. If you ignore them, they eventually take you off that list (that they will be selling to other marketers).

It is kind of the same thing as not “Unsubscribing” to unsolicited emails. 9 out of 10 may unsubscribe you from their list, but they still mark you and sell you to the next guy as a “hot lead”.

I got one of these DVDs too… Then a few reminders… The DVD went into the trash and the reminders now count as brown waste in the compost pile.

~DB

-- He said wood...http://hickbyassociation.blogspot.com/

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Kindlingmaker

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#10 posted 01-12-2009 05:36 PM

I have watched mine and it seems to have some nice info and at the bottom of the accompaning letter said that you really don’t have send it back or pay them for it, (as the law states). I too question what the real price for “the non introductory” dvd’s are. I am a visual kind of guy and I watch everything I can to gain knowledge or at least different ways of doing things. That old saying a picture is worth ten thousand words and with the picture I head for the shop… How much are the regular dvd’s?

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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PaBull

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#11 posted 05-02-2011 10:59 PM

Has anybody tried telling these Guild people that you just throw their precious not-asked-for-dvd in the trash? And if so what happened. I don’t feel like spending time or postage on something I did not ask for.

-- rhykenologist and plant grower

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rpalm

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#12 posted 05-02-2011 11:47 PM

I found the 1st dvd well made and informative, so paid the $12. The 2nd was also well done but with shipping and handling came to around $29. I returned it with a note not to send more. $15 total and I probably would have continued but $29 is too expensive for me.

-- Robert, I don't understand everything I know about this.

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Howie

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#13 posted 05-03-2011 12:15 AM

PaBull if you did not solicit this dvd you are under no obligation to pay for it or return it.
If you don’t send it back they will bug you for a couple of times and that’s it. You do not have to pay for it.

-- Life is good.

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