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Chris Speights

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09-05-2012 05:24 PM

If you recreate a logo, of let’s say a college team, and burn this onto a piece of your work, are you breaking any copyright laws? I am doing this as a gift, not selling it. Do you have to have written consent to do this?



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#1 posted 09-05-2012 05:32 PM

If you recreate it as an original piece of art, then I think you will be fine. Your “recreation” will have unique flaws/characteristics that will be lacking in the copyrighted version. If you were to say, recreate a T-shirt Team Logo and put it on more T-shirts, then I think you would be in trouble. You would be violating the artistic “concept” of the creator and that would be the violation.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#2 posted 09-05-2012 05:38 PM

Okay, that makes sense. Since it is a wood burning, and I have never done it before, it will definitely have flaws…haha. Do you think selling it or not selling it is relevant, or believe the same things would apply?

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#3 posted 09-05-2012 05:47 PM

Selling them? That may be an issue, after all isn’t that the big complaint about “counterfeit” goods in the first place? My gut feeling is don’t go into business selling copyrighted logos.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#4 posted 09-05-2012 05:50 PM

Since you’re giving it as a gift, I don’t see how you would get into trouble (legal eagles out there please correct me if I’m wrong)

However, if you try to sell it, they could come after you, even with ‘flaws.’ If someone can confuse your logo with the real one, it’s covered by the copyright laws. And since they sell the rights to produce logo merchandise, they protect those rights pretty vigorously. There are some exceptions for artistic use, but I would think you would have to have a good lawyer to argue a box, or cutting board, or the like counts. Some conceptual painting regarding the Penn State controversy containing their logo would probably be covered, but a plain logo, I wouldn’t try it. Again, for profit, as a gift I think you’re good.

Again, I’m not a lawyer, so what do I know…

-- John

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#5 posted 09-05-2012 05:50 PM

Flaws or not, if it’s a depiction of an actual logo, AND if the logo is copyrighted, then you are violating copyright. Even if you only ever make 1 copy and even if you don’t sell it.
My wife is a school media specialist and as such is extremely up to date on copyright stuff. When I worked at the university and was doing some web site design, I also got REAL familiar with copyright issues.

Now…. is anyone actually going to call the copyright police on you for making a gift for a college sports fan?

Highly unlikely. :)

Enjoy and have fun.

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#6 posted 09-05-2012 05:54 PM

Technically speaking, any unauthorized reproduction of trademarked or copyrighted material is a violation of law. The fact that you are making an item to give as a gift would most likely not put you in hot water. However, the use of a trademarked or copyrighted image or images on an unlicensed product would eventually draw unwelcome attention and, unless you are planning on generating a great deal of revenue from your product line, would not be worth the fines and continuing license fees.

-- Central Ohio, Still got 9 and 15/16 fingers!

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#7 posted 09-05-2012 07:51 PM

Charlie and Enoelf are dead on. I have to beat back people once in a while who want me to put copyrighted things on guitars. Just will NOT do it…

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#8 posted 09-05-2012 08:09 PM

The official language of the law pertaining to your question:

Copyright infringement is determined without regard to the intent or the state of mind of the infringer; “innocent” infringement is infringement nonetheless


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Chris Speights

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#9 posted 09-05-2012 08:12 PM

Great information, everyone. Thank you very much. The reason I asked about “selling” was because I have been asked by a few people that have seen this if I would make them one. Now I know I can tell them “no”...haha. Again, I really appreciate the information.



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#10 posted 09-05-2012 08:32 PM

I do not think you’d be in trouble if you give it as a gift. However, selling which obtains profits would certainly amount to a copyright infringement.

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#11 posted 09-05-2012 10:38 PM

I agree that no one would track you down for a gift. You could always drop a line to the appropriate institution and ask permission. Even selling them, you could pay a small per item fee with an arrangement ahead of time. My local institution told me I could have permission for limited quantities based on my previous support, plus a couple things for a fundraiser.

-- Russ, Wisconsin

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#12 posted 09-06-2012 06:59 AM

O yes you will. Trust me, been there done that. $5000 fine or jail depending on the state. I made it for ME! I didn’t sell it or give it away. A friend took a picture and put it on face book, That’s how they found out. You need to ask permission and pay for a license to do anything like that.

-- Have a great day.

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#13 posted 09-06-2012 03:56 PM

My son named his dog using the name Remington as part of the registered name. He called Remington and they told him go ahead. True, not a logo but you could inquire as to using the logo. If you are told no, then consider putting daisies on it.

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#14 posted 09-06-2012 05:03 PM

Just to flesh out a few things, whether selling or giving away makes no difference legally. Colleges licenses are very expensive and other businesses will turn you in in a heartbeat and trademark holders are legally obligated to protect their logos. Some colleges sell a special license for state residents, here it is called a “crafter license”. You have to submit a sample, pay a yearly fee, submit sales reports and there are some other hoops but it allows you to craft and sell things with the college logo.

-- Rick M,

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#15 posted 09-06-2012 06:18 PM

grosa, what did you make that got you in trouble?

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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