Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

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Topic tags/keywords: prejudice conservatism racism right wing low iq research

I ran across this article indicating scientific research that seems to go a long ways in explaining why political speech on LJs is so contentious. IMO, this is central to my belief that politics and religion have NO place on LJs. How do you feel/think about the following research?

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

There’s no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.

”Polling data and social and political science research do show that prejudice is more common in those who hold right-wing ideals that those of other political persuasions, Nosek told LiveScience.”

”As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between these two variables was political: When researchers included social conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of the link between brains and bias.”

”Earlier studies have found links between low levels of education and higher levels of prejudice, Hodson said, so studying intelligence seemed a logical next step. The researchers turned to two studies of citizens in the United Kingdom, one that has followed babies since their births in March 1958, and another that did the same for babies born in April 1970. The children in the studies had their intelligence assessed at age 10 or 11; as adults ages 30 or 33, their levels of social conservatism and racism were measured.” [Life's Extremes: Democrat vs. Republican]

”In another study, this one in the United States, Hodson and Busseri compared 254 people with the same amount of education but different levels of ability in abstract reasoning. They found that what applies to racism may also apply to homophobia. People who were poorer at abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against gays. As in the U.K. citizens, a lack of contact with gays and more acceptance of right-wing authoritarianism explained the link.” [5 Myths About Gay People Debunked]

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#1 posted 01-28-2012 02:11 PM

One of the refreshing things about LJs is its tolerance of sometimes extreme views on different subjects. One needn’t read or participate in those discussions. Political Correctness is available on other forums.

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#2 posted 01-28-2012 02:35 PM

I agree with this completely…The only explanation of the fact that they continually throw around complete lies like death panels, and calling Obama a socialist, and a Muslim, and insisting he isn’t an American citizen…can only be the result of ignorance, and certainly isn’t intelligence..and lets throw in a little false patriotism, and a hefty dose of racism..


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#3 posted 01-28-2012 03:23 PM

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#4 posted 01-28-2012 05:02 PM

A friend of mine brought this to my attention a week or so ago – and I knew it was only a matter of time before it found its way here. I agree that intelligence level is the obvious explanation for the millions of people who are duped by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. That said, there are many such people out there (on LJs and beyond) who are otherwise great people and who I consider to be friends – in spite of their political beliefs.

The challenge is in showing them the light – in a non-confrontational manner, bringing them around to a more enlightened viewpoint with cold, hard facts, but doing so gently, without making them feel like they’re backed into a corner – and in a position where they have to aggressively defend themselves and their viewpoints. Obviously, confronting them with “you’re conservative because you’re stupid – here’s the proof” isn’t going to win friends or influence people.

But more importantly, I think we just need to reLize and accept the fact that we’re not going to change their opinions. We’re talking about people who will refute the incontrovertible science behind climate change. Many of them believe the universe is only thousands of years old – in spite of the proven science of carbon dating. Why would any of them acknowledge any truth in these studies? Or allow their opinions to be shaped by facts that disprove Limbaugh & Beck?

I am again reminded of a wonderful scene from Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip (a wonderful but short-lived show from the creators of The West Wing that was canceled by NBC when they caved in to complaints from conservatives)... One of the two main characters asks the other, “Why do conservatives and liberals hate each other so much?” To which the reply is given, “Conservatives hate us because they think we think they’re stupid, and we hate them because we think they’re stupid.” I laughed when he said it, but there’s a lit if truth in it.

As for whether this sort of discussion belongs on LJs, I feel strongly that it does not. First and foremost, we are all woodworkers, and if we confined our discussions to that, there’d be no hurt feelings and we’d all get along nicely.

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#5 posted 01-28-2012 05:07 PM

The study looks at social conservatives in the UK. Not political or fiscal conservatives in the US. Huge differences.
Ignorance breeds prejudice. Not stupidity.
Ignorance is rampant among liberals as well as conservatives. But then so is stupidity. Consequently, prejudices exist among both groups.
Nothing new here.

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#6 posted 01-28-2012 09:22 PM

Wow Donny, well thought out and well stated. I do not think I could deliver the message as well as you do. I’m pretty much B&W politically.

After reading the above article and the links within, it sure seems to make sense to me why the:

1. Republicans want to dismantle the Department of Education.
2. Democrats want to expand/fund the Department of Education.

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#7 posted 01-28-2012 09:44 PM

Well Donny, the exact same thing can be said about both sides. Facts can be skewed to either side, I believe my viewpoint is more enlightened than yours. See how that works?
Now I guess I’m just another racist conservative that spent 12 years in the military and fought in two wars to protect your arrogant enlightened viewpoint.

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#8 posted 01-28-2012 10:32 PM

Isn’t it amazing that a high percentage of the military are of the conservative majority. I’m not saying they are all racist but, I have seen my share. I spent 20+ years in the military and was involved in too many conflicts: 6-day,
Johannesburg, SEA, and others I care not to mention. Why is it, that liberals are the most tolerant of others? Is it because we are the result of our fore fathers, who left the old country to avoid that kind of crap? What happened to the “the other side”, who also escaped that kind of crap, to become what they are today? I was also one of those others, before I saw the light. While attending a required seminar by the military (requiring us to be in civilian clothes to allow feelings to flow), the words got very heated on the subject of race. A young African American said something I will remember the rest of my life, “All I get to do is watch through the window, from the sidewalk, into the room, while all the white guys get what they want”. An older white guy jumped up and
yelled, “I am Colonel …................ and no n….......... talks to me like that, and as far as I’m concerned, you and your kind can stand out on the sidewalk until hell freezes over”! That, I will never forget. At that very moment, my life changed. To the better? I believe so. I have worked very hard to leave my ugly conservative racist attitude in the past. To this day, every time I see / hear negative words about our present President, I am reminded of that Colonel so many years ago – WHAT AN ASSHOLE! The same feelings go out to any conservative
numbnut, numerous names come to mind not repeated here, whose attitude is the same.

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#9 posted 01-28-2012 10:43 PM

Racism exists in all walks of life it’s not about white hating black you see it in all comunities.Untill we face up and admit we are all guilty or at least have been guilty to a lesser or greater extent and make peace with ourselves about it within our own hearts and psyche,we will never feel completely at peace.Prejudice is even worse we are all guilty.I feel until we admit it and realise our own failings we cannot move forward.I Alistair Hosie have been racist prejudice and am trying to better educate myself with help of my family to move on. I get annoyed even angry when waves of foreigners move into this country and get straight onto the benefits system without ever having paid into it .Education, healthcare, fee dentistry,some of them recieving thousands per week in housing benefits as they need large houses to take them all.This makes me racist Asians coming here and have large families here all paid for by us some with three or more wives and 27 or more children between them all paid for getting thousands every week from social security . If you study the caste system in India etc we see prejudice caused by ignorance.I believe we will never be at peace until we realise these failings within ourselves and strive to be better neighbours and brothers and sisters to all mankind. I can only try some days I slip back when I read about this kind of thing here in the U.K then I make racist rants this is hard for me I have been brought up watching my mother and father struggle to care for us on meagre wages .Alistair

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#10 posted 01-28-2012 11:53 PM

what rubish is this People who were poorer at abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against ….bla bla bla etc etc etc …..........
what kind of people with just one gram of intelligence can come up with
such crap …............just becourse á brain is more logical and linair in its way of thinking isn´t the same as being without iQ and picking only 254 people to make the statement from just show stupidity
of how people behind the statement is , and show the agenda they have to became famerous at all cost
nomatter how many they hurt on the way to the top


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#11 posted 01-29-2012 02:58 AM

rosebudjim SAID: ”Isn’t it amazing that a high percentage of the military are of the conservative majority.”

I tend to believe it is the conservatives that ATTEMPT to take all credit for military service as the be all end all of what makes their manhood/personhood. I am a flaming liberal that served 4 years during Vietnam, though I don’t jump at every friggin’ opportunity to wave it front of everyone else’s face.

Serving in the military has its purpose, but claiming it as ones main purpose in life is misdirected if not dangerous. I served, managed to not be harmed, and the VA paid for two out of three of my college degrees. IMO, the military allowed me to move from point “A” to point “B” and get on with my OWN life without becoming just another cog in a war machine being told when to ‘chit, ‘chower, and ‘chave on demand. In THAT sense, I see why so many conservative types are attracted to that dictated lifestyle. Pretty much adds credence to the above research, IMO.

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#12 posted 01-29-2012 06:11 AM

Mike: I also don’t wave my military service in front of anybody’s face. IF they ask, I will hesitate to say so, NOT before. I joined to see the world, and brother did I! And won’t do it again for no amount of money. But, I think your short stay in there did not allow you to see the true amount of conservative attitudes that abounded through out. And, I do not claim my serving was a main purpose, it just happened. My 3 tours in SEA gave me the “right” to 100% of medical care from the VA. I sure didn’t enlist just to achieve that for the rest of my life. I also accepted the 3 c’s to do all that. BUT, I was never in the majority like all those “others”, and was berated for it many times. I admit, it took me a number of naive years to realize I was not a member of that elite group of conservative mongers. So I slid into the background, did my job until 20, and parted without fan fare.

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#13 posted 01-29-2012 09:16 AM




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#14 posted 01-29-2012 09:51 AM


land off the port bow

or die



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#15 posted 01-29-2012 10:00 AM

‘copy that’


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