Forum topic by MiniMe | posted 05-23-2022 03:30 PM | 1016 views | 0 times favorited | 23 replies | ![]() |
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05-23-2022 03:30 PM |
Topic tags/keywords: finishing staining I have old parquet and I am trying to give it a more modern look by moving away from the traditional colors and apply a light washed out like grey stain. Is there a way to control the consistency of the stein to make sure you do not have differences between different areas of the same floor ? My first attempt at staining failed miserably. This is a basement room that had parquet applied previously. We removed the old finish and my wife wanted this color (the more intense spots). We still wanted to see the grain of the wood but change the traditional parquet look to something more modern. We thought we got it right after staining but when we applied the finishing coat (polyurethane) large areas seemed discolored or washed out. Right now I am considering using 60 or 80 grit and and drum sander again to either even the zones or completely remove this finish and apply it again if it helps here is the stain ordered from Home Depot enter image description here Here is the catalog image |
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#1 posted 05-23-2022 04:16 PM |
Looks to be a pretty close match to the sample chart from your pics ? Is the poly sheen consistent ? Did you use the same brand poly as stain ? Both waterbased ? Follow the directions to the letter ? Waterbased stains are just more tricky to deal with in my opinion. What you’re describing sounds like (and looks like from pic) all of the old sealer wasn’t removed before staining. Another thing that could be happening (and you can’t do anything about) is the strip variation of each square. Some are dark, some light , some medium , and they were cut and assembled every which way – which means stain will take to the same square at different rates and the light will reflect differently off each strip. |
#2 posted 05-23-2022 04:46 PM |
The problems with these stains are that they are hard to keep consistent, especially over large areas. Maybe best to hire someone that has experience with these WaterBased lighter colors. |
#3 posted 05-23-2022 05:14 PM |
What you are trying to do is very difficult with such a mix of wood grain patterns in the parquet. Alternately, apply the sealer (possibly 2 coats) and sand lightly with 320 grit to remove any raised wood fibers or settled dust; then use a color tint in the poly top coat. If you get the desired color with the first coat of poly make any additional coats with clear poly. If the first coat is too light then continue with the tinted version. I would use a water based “floor” grade of poly. As with all finishes do some tests first. Note: Shellac drys quite fast. I prefer to apply it with a lint free cloth pad (wear gloves), have good ventilation (the alcohol solvent vaporizes quickly). The cooler the room tempratuer the slower the dry time….which is good in this case. Wait at least 8 to 24 hours for a second coat and don’t over work it which will cause the first coat to dissolve into the second coat. Clean up is with household ammonia and water. A top coat can go on in 4 to 6 hours. -- Les B, Oregon |
#4 posted 05-23-2022 07:39 PM |
That was my first thought too. I know we all WANT a wood solution but can you say, “Area rug?” Warm and cozy on the footsies. Feel free to ridicule and ignore me. :-) -- Andy - Seattle USA |
#5 posted 05-23-2022 09:25 PM |
I also wanted to caution about using a drum sander on that floor now. It’s real easy to gouge the floor with those and parquet is rather thin. Plus you’ve already sanded it once to remove the finish. I’d be looking at a random orbital rig. You might also want to give hardwax oils a go. They have colored ones too. Rubio and OSMO are the two biggies. It’s pretty easy to apply but you have to work small areas at a time. If you’re looking for high sheen – they won’t be the product for you. |
#6 posted 05-23-2022 09:33 PM |
Buy new and lay it over existing. Cheaper timewise at least in the long run -- WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH -- |
#7 posted 05-23-2022 09:34 PM |
I thought it looks pretty darn good for a stain from the borg. -- Aj |
#8 posted 05-23-2022 11:03 PM |
...I thought it looks pretty darn good for a stain from the borg. ...+1 Those Behr stains are pigment based WB with a small amount of acrylic carrier. The acrylic carrier helps to reduce carry over, when applying a top coat; a desired trait for DIY floor work. But this carrier also makes color repair very difficult after it dries. Only light sanding, or use of the right solvent will allow you lift some color from the wood. I would not use coarse grit, what you need is finesse. Use 320-400 grit plastic scuff pad to burnish the surface and remove some color. Making sure to sand with grain, to avoid leaving cross grain scratches. Finding the right solvent to lift the color from the surface requires some testing on scraps. Doubt water will lift color; but a 50/50 water/DNA might work. While I have tried it, the only big box store solvent product that might work to remove some color from that stain is the BEHR de-glossing wipes. They contain a mix of WB compatible solvents that should soften a WB stain carrier. Will likely need to wipe it wet with BEHR Swipe, then use dry rag to buff the surface to an even color; making sure you wipe with grain. Best Luck! -- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967 |
#9 posted 05-23-2022 11:27 PM |
Should they strip the poly first? and sanding parquet with the grain, that’s going to take a while. |
#10 posted 05-23-2022 11:52 PM |
Thanks for the reply guys! |
#11 posted 05-24-2022 12:04 AM |
Can you ever give parquet a modern look? It’s more about the pattern than the color when it comes to parquet in my opinion. The color looks like a very close match to what you chose. I don’t think you have enough wood left to go over it again with a floor sander. If you have the skill to sand, stain, and seal a floor like this I would certainly think that you would have the ability to install a new one. Just a thought. You would have a real good idea of the final outcome before you even started. -- NorthWoodsMan |
#12 posted 05-24-2022 12:45 AM |
Just I case you didn’t know Borg stands for Big Overpriced Retail Giant. America will be assimilated :( -- Aj |
#13 posted 05-24-2022 01:07 AM |
Here is a picture showing the sanded floor PS: I wanted to use the Home depot vacuum but ..this is what happens when wife gets involved :-D. Her tool is better …She knows and you can’t argue or you sleep in the garage |
#14 posted 05-24-2022 01:19 AM |
I think the floor was sanded more than good enough. Here is another train of thought. I would re-sand the floor and then look into a product like this. Just my opinion. |
#15 posted 05-24-2022 02:24 AM |
Lee Roy is right. Contact a flooring distributor and ask for info on floor products. I will also agree with others about using water based stains for color. Easiest is to use a oil based stain if using water based finish coats. Water based stains will “pull” when applying water based top coats and give uneven appearance. -- Paul, Duvall, WA |
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