« back to Woodturning forum
01-26-2022 03:21 PM
|
Topic tags/keywords:
lathe
plane
turning
traditional
cherry
walnut
purpleheart
mesquite
Disclaimer: I am a handplane heretic. I don’t restore early 1910 Bailey pattern planes stylistically consistent with the antique bravado. /s
I have been plunged into the world of woodturning and as all of you who have experienced this, I have turned everything from pine scraps, off-cuts and even tree branches; because I can. I am not sure how much longer I will be captured by this insanity, but I hope it’s forever.
In my attempts to make every piece of wood in the neighborhood into a spindle or a bowl, I have turned numerous designs of front plane knobs. I have a 50L+ Sterilite full of ‘not quite perfect’ shapes made of exotic, domestic and local woods. So far, Mesquite from down the street is the most amazing grain pattern ever, and PurpleHeart is the smoothest.
So from my short and naïve experience I put together a list of what I hacked as my front knob, and I think it would be enlightening to see what others think.
My hand, btw, when extending the thumb to pinkie is 10” and my wrist to middle fingernail is 8 1/4” which I suppose is only relevant because people with smaller hands might find these dimensions unnecessary or uncomfortable.
1. For the knob diameter, I have mostly settled on 2” 2: For minimum diameter of the taper between the ball portion and the base, Any smaller than 3/4” seems to detract, although I don’t think smaller is much of a functional issue until it gets below 1/2” 3. For the base height, I have found anything taller than 3/8” looks too bulky 4. For the overall height, I have departed from the 2 5/8 standard, and I am up to 3 1/8. I find on my bedrock patterned planes (like a 4 1/2), the casting frequently digs into the meat of my thumb and the extra 1/2” of height helps keep my meat-hooks clear. 4a. For the hardware; as the classic threaded rod is not long enough, I have taken a page from Lie-Nielsen and use a 3” 1/4-20 flat head countersunk brass screw from the local ‘home center’ and have never looked back.
I hope this is an interesting thread for hand-toolery.
-Mikey
|
43 replies so far
#1 posted 01-26-2022 04:16 PM
|
|
#2 posted 01-26-2022 04:17 PM
|
have you noticed the similarity in design for front knobs to trailer hitch balls?
-- "I build for function first, looks second. Most times I never get around to looks." MIke in CO
|
#3 posted 01-26-2022 04:19 PM
|
Actually, which ever style/size fit YOUR hand best. And, HOW you grip the knob, too….
For a long time..Rosewood was the preferred wood for plane handles….
-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use
|
#4 posted 01-26-2022 04:21 PM
|
have you noticed the similarity in design for front knobs to trailer hitch balls?
- BlasterStumps
Mind Blown. [insert imagined gif here]
Also, I have my next silly project: decorative wood 2” hitch trailer ball.
|
#5 posted 01-26-2022 05:03 PM
|
have you noticed the similarity in design for front knobs to trailer hitch balls?
- BlasterStumps
I’m gonna mount a hitch ball to one, maybe the extra weight will help. Hitch it up to a remote control truck and I can remotely plane surfaces while watching tv.
|
#6 posted 01-26-2022 06:34 PM
|
Actually, which ever style/size fit YOUR hand best. And, HOW you grip the knob, too….
For a long time..Rosewood was the preferred wood for plane handles….
- bandit571
This is essentially where I was coming from. What I have found to be comfortable. The only deviation from norm that I guess I was addressing was the extended height. None of the other hand-toolery I know have delved into this customization, and figured it would possibly spark some thought.
|
#7 posted 01-26-2022 07:42 PM
|
have you noticed the similarity in design for front knobs to trailer hitch balls?
- BlasterStumps
I’m gonna mount a hitch ball to one, maybe the extra weight will help. Hitch it up to a remote control truck and I can remotely plane surfaces while watching tv.
- SMP
Don’t forget to put a motor on that will fetch you a beer while you watch the tube. Don’t wanna be missing any content doing tasks. Remember pouring a glass of wine, requires more functions, beer is a good choice here.
-- Think safe, be safe
|
#8 posted 01-27-2022 02:30 AM
|
Actually, which ever style/size fit YOUR hand best. And, HOW you grip the knob, too….
For a long time..Rosewood was the preferred wood for plane handles….
- bandit571
Most pertinent response so far. Its what the user likes, period. Keep the old ones in case you sell the planes. All of my 15 or so bench planes, Stanley, Fulton, and new LV planes, have custom knobs and totes made to my design by me. The tote designs are available in my blog – marked up drawings from LV.
For knobs I made prototypes based on some of the handplanes I had at the time and pics of various designs. My choice for most all the planes is a taller mushroom profile, because I use the knob to push down and pull up, and steer. The tote provides motive force, not the knob. I have larger hands and the taller profile gives more room. Dont have measurements of them, but you can see a couple of them here in my blog that has the tote dwgs. All of mine are made with walnut, most are claro walnut, but any decent hardness hardwood, including soft maple, with tight grain will work. Dont recommend open grain like oak or ash – hard on the palms.
|
#9 posted 01-27-2022 03:09 AM
|
My hand is only slightly bigger, I too like a 2” ball, for heavier work 2 5/16” works a bit better.
-- “I never in my life thought I would have to say this, but the proper role of government is not to fund the distribution of crack pipes,” Lauren Boebert
|
#10 posted 01-27-2022 04:03 PM
|
Most pertinent response so far. Its what the user likes, period. Keep the old ones in case you sell the planes. All of my 15 or so bench planes, Stanley, Fulton, and new LV planes, have custom knobs and totes made to my design by me. The tote designs are available in my blog – marked up drawings from LV.
For knobs I made prototypes based on some of the handplanes I had at the time and pics of various designs. My choice for most all the planes is a taller mushroom profile, because I use the knob to push down and pull up, and steer. The tote provides motive force, not the knob. I have larger hands and the taller profile gives more room. Dont have measurements of them, but you can see a couple of them here in my blog that has the tote dwgs. All of mine are made with walnut, most are claro walnut, but any decent hardness hardwood, including soft maple, with tight grain will work. Dont recommend open grain like oak or ash – hard on the palms.
- OSU55
I love it. My next profile will most definitely incorporate a stronger mushroom top for my 4 1/2 and 5 1/2 sizes.
My hand is only slightly bigger, I too like a 2” ball, for heavier work 2 5/16” works a bit better.
- bigblockyeti
I love this too. Frankly I am even more excited for my next run of front knobs, and excuses to turn more shavings.
Mikey-
|
#11 posted 01-27-2022 04:50 PM
|
Probably the hardest thing on the hands is the unchanging shape of tool handles and knobs. What we really need is a knob that can adapt to our grip – expanding or contracting as needed, or even taking on a random, lumpy shape.
-- You know, this site doesn't require woodworking skills, but you should know how to write.
|
#12 posted 01-30-2022 11:57 PM
|
I’m restoring a couple of planes and I’m making the knobs out of figured black walnut. I’m making them bigger than the originals to fit my big, faat hands. i’m also making the totes bigger—as big as i can make them and still fit under the cam levers, so I can get my fat fingers around them.
-- Unix programmers never die; they just > /dev/null
|
#13 posted 01-31-2022 11:58 AM
|
Why a knob? German wooden planes have a kind of horn.
-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn (and that is nice)
|
#14 posted 01-31-2022 05:26 PM
|
Why a knob? German wooden planes have a kind of horn.
- Sylvain
I imagine that comes in handy if you run into traffic while you’re planing. Beep-beep!
-- Unix programmers never die; they just > /dev/null
|
#15 posted 01-31-2022 05:44 PM
|
funny.
I was referring to this
-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn (and that is nice)
|
Have your say...
You must be signed in to reply.
|
Forum |
Topics |
Woodworking Skill Share
Your woodworking skills are displayed for several lifetimes in each project. Have you had to compromise your project...
|
13544 |
Woodturning
On the lathe, by the lathe: do you have questions? frustrations? tips? This forum is for all the woodturners out there.
|
3010 |
Woodcarving
Relief, 3D, chip-carving, whittling; carving knives, chisels, pocket-knives, power tools. If you are a carver or want...
|
618 |
Scrollsawing
Intarsia, fretwork, intricate design cutting and more! This forum is for scrollsawers: share your tips, ask questions...
|
436 |
Joinery
Have a question? a tip/strategy to share? a challenge, perhaps? Share your "joinery" discussion here.
|
2077 |
Finishing
The finish, whether paint, wax, stain, or something else, can make or break a project. What are your tips and questio...
|
6714 |
Designing Woodworking Projects
Looking for information on designing your projects? Having difficulties reading project plans? Looking for help with ...
|
8187 |
Power Tools, Hardware and Accessories
Are you unsure of which tools, or hardware, you need, or which brands to buy? Investing in tools and hardware can be ...
|
34189 |
CNC Woodworking
Questions and answers about CNC machines, tooling, best practices, and projects.
|
384 |
Hand Tools
Wood, your hand tools, you and a little know-how. Share your questions, tips and strategies for the use and maintenan...
|
6770 |
Jigs & Fixtures
Using a jig is like having a couple extra hands helping out. Show us your jigs, share your tips, strategies and, of c...
|
1920 |
Wood & Lumber
Different wood requires different woodworking strategies - from cutting to finishing. Share your tips and challenges ...
|
7617 |
Safety in the Woodworking Shop
Before you pick up those woodworking tools, take the time to ensure your safety in the shop! Eyes, ears, fingers, and...
|
1696 |
Focus on the Workspace
Are you looking for or do you have tips to share regarding the workshop? Storage, equipment placement, efficiency, an...
|
2749 |
Sweating for Bucks Through Woodworking
If you are selling your work, then you have entered a woodworking dimension with added complexity and stress. If you...
|
1295 |
Woodworking Trade & Swap
All of us are holding onto treasure in our shops, that we either don't need, don't want, or could part with if presen...
|
5578 |
LumberJocks.com Site Feedback
Connect with the Website Gurus and tell us what you are thinking, suggestions, problems, functionality issues, and so...
|
2431 |
Coffee Lounge
Need a break from all the standing and wood dust? Chat with your Forum Friends about their projects, their life, thei...
|
9902 |
|