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01-19-2022 02:30 AM

have decided to try to install drawers and slides inside an old built in face frame cabinet with no back. Bought some fir to attach to the walls and install the rails on to. The problem is the inside walls on the cabinet are no longer perfectly straight. or perpendicular. The 1×3’s will need to be shimmed about the width of a cereal box. Is there a better way, or material other then a cereal box, is it really necessary to shim at all? I do not know how forgiving the slides are. These slides being used are nothing fancy, just basic ball bearing slides.The drawers being installed. are only 20”W 22” deep I am sure the squareness of the cabinet will come into question, of course its a bit off, but nothing drastic. The other drawers already installed are big and heavy, instead of fir sides they put in 3/4” plywood sides and shimmed them, does this make more sense. Any ideas appreciated.


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#1 posted 01-19-2022 01:52 PM

You can shim. But personally I have had better luck with the bb slides by screwing a cross piece in back that i can screw the adjustable backs onto. I just use a kreg jig to mount them.

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#2 posted 01-19-2022 02:00 PM

In my experience slides are not very forgiving about getting the spacing right. Rather than cardboard shims or equiv., I’d use tapered wood shims that are cheap and off the shelf at the big box stores.

-- Joe

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#3 posted 01-19-2022 02:20 PM

Check on rear mounting brackets for FF application.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#4 posted 01-19-2022 02:30 PM

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#5 posted 01-19-2022 02:53 PM

He says there is no back. What is the rear structure, another frame? A picture would help.

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#6 posted 01-19-2022 03:28 PM



He says there is no back. What is the rear structure, another frame? A picture would help.

- BlueRidgeDog

My guess like a lot of builtins, is a 4 sided plywood box with a face frame and no back.

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#7 posted 01-19-2022 04:18 PM

A lot 9f case cabinets are built without back, just add two vertcal nailers.. Either pocket screw or liquid nail and a few screws till it locks in.

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#8 posted 01-19-2022 06:20 PM

The cabinet mounts to the wall, just a single horizontal nailer on top. The KV slides I ordered are the 8600 series and there are no rear brackets available. If I put a level on the 1X3 in the vertical position I would need to shim the thickness of a cereal box on top and on the opposite side it would be on the bottom. Most wood shims are not thin enough, thus the reason I used the cereal box. I’ve kicked around trying to rip the slightest angle on the table saw, but it seems a bit dicey. Maybe,filing the 1×3 at a slight angle would work, but I am just not that good.
fabricating some rear brackets also came to mind. I keep thinking they are only off slightly more than a 1/64 of an inch. BB slides handle that much variance.

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#9 posted 01-19-2022 06:26 PM

I’ve been married twice , so I could be wrong, but I believe they sell your KV8400 brackets at Home Depot and amazon

I didn’t catch you bought 8600, but I saw they sell a kv universal bracket.

Why kv8600?

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#10 posted 01-19-2022 07:26 PM

Following, my cabinet walls are not square to the front. I don’t want to lose the interior space to making a box inside of the cabinet. Wife has been asking for years so I need to get this done.

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#11 posted 01-19-2022 07:47 PM



Following, my cabinet walls are not square to the front. I don t want to lose the interior space to making a box inside of the cabinet. Wife has been asking for years so I need to get this done.

- controlfreak

When my daughter built her new house she wanted mainly drawers in the bases. I think there is less cooking these days and less need for maximum space anymore.

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#12 posted 01-19-2022 09:52 PM

If you use shims, go with the flat cardboard ones that are used for shimming under sheetrock and fiber cement board. They are peelable and you can split off thin layers easily until you have precisely the thickness you need. And the other advantage is that they are flat so they won’t skew the brackets like a standard, slanted shim might when you screw in.

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#13 posted 01-24-2022 06:47 PM

The KV8600 are rated for 150lbs and my wife has some very heavy pots and pans. The KV8400 are only rated for 100 lbs. Just to clarify the problem, when I place a level on the inside side walls there is about a cereal box shim needed on the top of the left fir strip and on the bottom of the right strip to make them perfectly vertical. What is the best way to get them vertical and does it seem like this small of a slight angle would matter?

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#14 posted 01-25-2022 01:33 PM

I don’t think that small amount of misalignment would affect drawer slide operation.

-- Joe

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#15 posted 01-25-2022 02:35 PM



The KV8600 are rated for 150lbs and my wife has some very heavy pots and pans. The KV8400 are only rated for 100 lbs. Just to clarify the problem, when I place a level on the inside side walls there is about a cereal box shim needed on the top of the left fir strip and on the bottom of the right strip to make them perfectly vertical. What is the best way to get them vertical and does it seem like this small of a slight angle would matter?

- jnswhit

I have rarely ever put anything above 100lb in a kitchen in 30 years, but if you’ve already bought them…

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