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Forum topic by MrRon posted 12-06-2021 07:45 PM 1587 views 0 times favorited 46 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MrRon

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12-06-2021 07:45 PM

I can remember back 50+ years when a power tool, like a portable electric saw or drill would perform day in and day out without a whimper. That was when B&D and Skil tools were at their height. At some point, quality issues plagued those manufacturers. Today, if you want a tool that will do a good job, you have to pay big bucks. Sure you can buy cheaper tools and they will do the job, but won’t stand up to use like the old tools did. The new tools have all the bells and whistles, but longevity is not one of them. I blame it on “planned obsolescence”. Not many can afford to buy Festool or a Hammer sliding table saw. Milwaukee makes some good tools, but they won’t last much longer than the warranty. I guess German tool makers still adhere to making quality tools that last regardless of price while we in the U.S. are happy to replace tools on a frequent basis. If a tool quits, it is usually considered a “throw-a-way”, so we go out and buy another.

A current review of a Makita trim router on the review site confirms what I have observed over the years, that Makita was a quality tool many years ago, but not anymore. I have a Makita 9.6V drill that is about 40 years old and still works like new. I have newer Makita 12V drills that quit working after the warranty period was up, but my old 9.6V drill keeps going. The only thing I did with it was to replace the chuck with a keyless chuck.


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Bill White

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#1 posted 12-06-2021 09:54 PM

Don’t get me started on this subject.
I have Porter Cable tools that were made in the Jackson, TN plant that still work like new.
From what I here, the new ones are hobby grade at best.

-- [email protected]

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kdeboy

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#2 posted 12-06-2021 10:02 PM



Don t get me started on this subject.
I have Porter Cable tools that were made in the Jackson, TN plant that still work like new.
From what I here, the new ones are hobby grade at best.

- Bill White


Couple years ago I bought a Porter Cable low speed, high torque, 1/2” corded drill for mixing tile mud. Smoked the motor about 15 seconds into the first bucket. I’ll never buy that brand again.

-- Ken Deboy, http://www.deboy.org

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#3 posted 12-06-2021 10:37 PM

I have a Milwaukee corded drill /hammer drill with a 3/8 chuck. It’s easy 30 years old the only thing I’ve had to do was new brushes new cord and i think maybe the switch.
It also has a jacobs chuck.
Very reliable tool.
The porter cable saw boss is also a favorite of mine.

-- Aj

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xedos

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#4 posted 12-06-2021 10:45 PM

Good thing they don’t make the computer / tablet / phone you’re typing this rant on like they used too either.

You’re also fortunate that your internet service is “like it used to be” either.

I’m also thankful that automobiles aren’t made like they used to be in the USA during the 70’s – utter garbage at any price.

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CWWoodworking

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#5 posted 12-06-2021 11:03 PM

I’m not for sure what your talking about. I use Dewalt(not high end)stuff at a full time job. Use them hard all day. They hold up fine. I have a 20v sander that has helped make over 200 pieces of furniture. It’s still going. Use a 20v trim router so much, the collet wore out. It’s still running. Drill has driven over 100,000 screws. Still going.

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bigblockyeti

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#6 posted 12-06-2021 11:11 PM

They all have the ability to make quality products but are more interested in hitting the top of the profitability bell curve for the share holders. Really good tools haven’t gotten that much cheaper either, a $100 circular saw 50 years ago was a heck of a lot more in today’s dollars. Festool is far from without fault, they just handle it better than most care too, the Kapex smoking motors with alarming frequency. It’s a race to the bottom, they all just want to be barely good enough to get the best reviews.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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SMP

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#7 posted 12-06-2021 11:34 PM



Good thing they don t make the computer / tablet / phone you re typing this rant on like they used too either.

You re also fortunate that your internet service is “like it used to be” either.

Yep, computer components used to be built to military specifications. They would last for years in any condition. Now you are lucky if something lasts a year or two. Its planned obsolescence for the sheeple.

And internet. When it was the big telcos it was nearly never that you picked up a phone and didn’t have dial tone. Nowadays my internet crashes an uncountable times per day. All day i am on conference calls with people around the country. In every call you will hear multiple times “sorry my internet just cut out”

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bigblockyeti

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#8 posted 12-07-2021 12:53 AM

It’s beyond planned obsolecence for this Chromebook bought in 12/19, I just received a message it will no longer receive updates beyond 6/22. Less than three years and it’s garbage, conveniently there was no mention of that when I bought it, might as well have just rented. Then again that would have been for 3 years so Google for the win again. It would be nice if Google didn’t design the latest iteration of anti-trust laws.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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SMP

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#9 posted 12-07-2021 01:15 AM



It s beyond planned obsolecence for this Chromebook bought in 12/19, I just received a message it will no longer receive updates beyond 6/22. Less than three years and it s garbage, conveniently there was no mention of that when I bought it, might as well have just rented. Then again that would have been for 3 years so Google for the win again. It would be nice if Google didn t design the latest iteration of anti-trust laws.

- bigblockyeti

Pretty much everything is moving to subscription based. This way you are forced to pay every month for things . You can’t even buy most software anymore, you have to get a subscription and pay monthly. Same with medicine, you want a cure? Too bad, just get a prescription and take this monthly. You want sawblades and drill bits? Buy these junky ones, just send us the dull ones and we send you new ones.

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Aj2

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#10 posted 12-07-2021 01:35 AM

I wonder how long until the day comes saw stop makes a new saw with a better design. My guess sawstop will have a saw that connects to the internet and reports back to the mother ship.
They will need to collect information about their customers to be competitive.
5g , AI, trans humanism it’s just around the corner.

-- Aj

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bigblockyeti

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#11 posted 12-07-2021 02:14 AM

My parents get an email when their new Subaru has a tire that’s a little low, in addition to seeing the pressure on the dash.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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SMP

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#12 posted 12-07-2021 03:11 AM


My parents get an email when their new Subaru has a tire that s a little low, in addition to seeing the pressure on the dash.

- bigblockyeti

Yep my new prius prime emails the dealer when service is due. Big brother knows when your car needs service and where and when you get it done. Or if you don’t get it done, which will effect resale value.

Yeah the next saw stop will probably scan your hands to make sure you have all 10 fingers. If you lose a finger that info will be sent to your insurance company, raising your healthcare premiums and your life insurance gets cancelled. And probably a battery powered saw cratridge that has a battery life of 1 month, but conveniently for the low price of $29 a month they send you a new cartridge each month to make sure you are safe.

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kajunframer

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#13 posted 12-07-2021 01:35 PM


Good thing they don t make the computer / tablet / phone you re typing this rant on like they used too either.

You re also fortunate that your internet service is “like it used to be” either.
Im also thankful that automobiles aren t made like they used to be in the USA during the 70 s – utter garbage at any price.

- xedos

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Well said. Manufacturers supply what consumers want: cheap tools. Granted, you have to search for durable tools, but they are available. Personally, my shop is stocked with Makita, Max USA, and Oliver. All of them are quality tools. I have some cordless Makita drills that are 18 years old, and still working great. My Oliver shaper is built like a tank. If you want quality tools, do some research, and be willing to pay a little more. It’s far more economial to purchase quality products.

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bbc557ci

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#14 posted 12-07-2021 03:28 PM

I was a carpenter by trade for most of my working years. To save a few $$ on power tools I’d buy Skill “blems”. They performed well. I still have and occasionally use my Skill hand planer and circular saw. Also have a Rockwell #315 circ saw with the grease cup and it still performs like new. Old Skill drills, screw guns, etc. They all work as the should still. Dewalt is my go-to for cordless tools, I’ve had good luck with them so far.

My analog cell phones from the ‘80s worked perfectly, no BS or issues. The digital phones of today…. well….

-- Bill, central NY...no where near the "big apple"

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bigblockyeti

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#15 posted 12-07-2021 07:19 PM


Yep my new prius prime emails the dealer when service is due. Big brother knows when your car needs service and where and when you get it done. Or if you don’t get it done, which will effect resale value.

- SMP

When I wrote about the Subaru, I realize this isn’t complete lunacy as we’ve been working towards big brother monitoring for some time. My wife’s ‘08 GM has Onstar that we’re not subscribed to but there’s a modem in the car that can monitor many things and control door locks, engine power, & lights that I know of.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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