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Forum topic by Jburnt posted 12-06-2021 11:05 AM 464 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-06-2021 11:05 AM

So long story short I aquired a 15” planer today that looks almost identical to the picture below from one of father inlaws friends dad that had passed away. My FIL and his friend seem to think it is a foley belsaw but there are no stickers or badging on it. I don’t have any current pictures of it, but will the next time im out in the shop. I’ve done some Googling and come up with that most planers from that era where clones and made in the same factory amd that parts were interchangeable as long as you can find one that looks like it. Does anyone know of grizzly, jet, delta, powermatic
or ect modles that maybe interchangeable? The delta 380 seems common but that has the motor on top and the one I have has 220 motor but down in the lower frame. I don’t know if it needs any parts or repairs but if need be when i get to tinkering with it I’d like a place to start looking.


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#1 posted 12-06-2021 04:43 PM

From that era you’ve pointed out the Delta 380’s and all of her assorted, and MANY Cousins, which did share a lot of capability for cross use of parts, but I’ve not seen this 4 post machine with the motor below. Does it look as if someone has re-rigged the motor to be out of the way? If so I imagine there will be several holes for bolts removed on the top left surface as you look at it as in your pic.

Beyond that I don’t know, what you have there, but it isn’t what I’m used to seeing.

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#2 posted 12-06-2021 04:58 PM

I don’t think Belsaw made or sold a 15” planer.

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#3 posted 12-06-2021 08:08 PM

I don’t think belsaw made one as well thats why I came here asking. It does not have holes for a what could have been a motor on top, the picture I posted is not of the current machine but one that I found online, mine has no name plate or stickers on it. I want to start tearing it down to clean up and use but also want to wait to see if anyone knows of an equivalent model in case I need parts

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#4 posted 12-06-2021 08:23 PM

The ones with the motor on top the head moves. With the motor on bottom the bed moves so while the 4-posts look to be of the same dimensions they are different planers. Parts compatibility with other no-name Taiwan 15” planers is said to be good with these generic planers. A lot of tool dealers branded them but they’re pretty similar if not the same in some cases.

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#5 posted 12-06-2021 11:45 PM



The ones with the motor on top the head moves. With the motor on bottom the bed moves so while the 4-posts look to be of the same dimensions they are different planers. Parts compatibility with other no-name Taiwan 15” planers is said to be good with these generic planers. A lot of tool dealers branded them but they re pretty similar if not the same in some cases.

Do you know of any of the no name brands or model similar that I could try and research more? Didn’t some of the grizzlies have the motor below?

- Loren


From that era you ve pointed out the Delta 380 s and all of her assorted, and MANY Cousins, which did share a lot of capability for cross use of parts, but I ve not seen this 4 post machine with the motor below. Does it look as if someone has re-rigged the motor to be out of the way? If so I imagine there will be several holes for bolts removed on the top left surface as you look at it as in your pic.

Beyond that I don t know, what you have there, but it isn t what I m used to seeing.

- therealSteveN


The ones with the motor on top the head moves. With the motor on bottom the bed moves so while the 4-posts look to be of the same dimensions they are different planers. Parts compatibility with other no-name Taiwan 15” planers is said to be good with these generic planers. A lot of tool dealers branded them but they re pretty similar if not the same in some cases.

- Loren


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#6 posted 12-07-2021 12:56 AM

No. Most of the no-name brands are probably from out-of-business dealers. People often come on this site inquiring about these planers and the answers are the same. There are a lot of them out there but few if any people have cannibalized one to repair another.

Yes. I cannot vouch for parts compatibility.

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#7 posted 12-07-2021 06:44 AM

Welcome to LumberJocks!

Without a real picture of your planer, and model number; it is hard to answer your questions? :(

The pic above is an ‘AUTO PLANER’ which is a unique Taiwan model name, imported by many different folks. Defunct King USA in Florida sold many YHP-150 on east coast.

Not an expert, but have rebuild a couple different models over the years. Parts from those same 1980 model mfg are still available if you can find the Grizzly/Jet that is most similar. Grizzly models are easy to find, Jet requires more work as you have to find old 6 digit stock numbers (like 708538), and not use the model numbers.

Key differentiators are:

- Moving head with motor on top or Moving table with motor on bottom. Delta DC-380 was sold only motor on top. Lower cost imports (like Grizzly G1021) offered (Delta clone) motor on top for a only couple years, and then offered motor on bottom with moveable table to emulate the Powermatic M-0460213 model .

- Location of height adjustment wheel. Earliest Taiwan Auto Planer’s had wheel on top (like Grizzly G1021), but motor on bottom. Most mfg change to wheel on side and added rollers on top to pass board back and forth across the planer (like Grizzly G1021Z, cloned from Powermatic ).

- Country of origin. Of units I have rebuilt; Taiwan mfg 15” planers are near identical, but the Chinese mfg 15” planers have minor changes from Taiwan models and use different parts. The Chinese machines used a casting head that is slightly wider (~8-12mm). This means different length rollers, cutter head shaft, and gear box casting too. The bearings inside the machines are near identical, and all standard off the shelf parts.

- Planing speed selections. Some planers have same low (16fpm)/high (20fpm) speed as Delta. Some have a different speed (20fpm vs 30fpm, if brain is working today). The Chinese made machines all run faster. There are slow and fast Taiwan mfg machines. These changes create differences in the size of sprockets, and chain length on drive for feed rollers. IME – Grizzly G1021 parts should be compatible for slower feed speeds. Need to use Jet 15” planer parts for ‘fast’ Taiwan mfg planners, or Grizzly G0453 parts for Chinese made machines. The speed changes also have different gear box casting and they use different gaskets. Grizzly has scaled pictures of gaskets online, and have used their gaskets to repair every machine I have worked on so far?

Best Luck.

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