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10-16-2021 03:47 PM

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I’m cutting rail and stile joinery for the first time. I thought I had the process figured out but I am missing something because the rail and stile are not quite coming together.

The bits are brand new. The table and fence are dead flat. I think the equipment is fine.

I’ve cut the end of the rails and that seemed to go well. I used the rail I just cut to set the height of the bit for the stile cut. I’ve adjusted the fence so it is in alignment with the bearing on the bit, so, the depth of cut should be right as well. After several test cuts the surfaces are perfectly flush.

However. the rail piece will not go in far enough to make a tight fit. (see pic)

What am I missing?

-- Bob, North Carolina, ......... Perfect: adjective: 1- That which will get no better or no worse, as long as you leave it the heck alone!


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#1 posted 10-16-2021 04:18 PM

I’d get a different set of bits. What kind do you have?

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#2 posted 10-16-2021 04:21 PM

Your pushing in like you should, but what catches if you slide in down into the joint?

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#3 posted 10-16-2021 04:36 PM



I d get a different set of bits. What kind do you have?

- Loren

Its a set of bits from Grizzly that I bought many years ago but have never used until today.

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#4 posted 10-16-2021 04:53 PM

I agree with Loren. It looks to me like your cove section doesn’t mate properly.

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#5 posted 10-16-2021 05:42 PM

if you’re using a router table, have you checked that your bits are perpendicular to the table surface in all directions?

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#6 posted 10-16-2021 06:21 PM

Everything looks about right except the bottom thin piece. Is that what the bearing is riding on or is the cutter just not removing enough material?

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#7 posted 10-16-2021 08:41 PM

This is the only place I see of concern. Looks a bit heavy..

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#8 posted 10-16-2021 09:17 PM

Is this section fitting flush or is it gapped the same as the others shown?

The edges look almost ragged from this pic and wondered how clean/smooth it actually was.

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#9 posted 10-16-2021 09:24 PM

It’s possible the fence used for the rail isn’t set properly. If the wood is run through and doesn’t stop the bearing spin, you need to move the fence back until it is just barely letting the wood touch the bearing while cutting the stile detail.
Take another picture of that fit showing more of the front of the parts. It looks like there isn’t the same gap as on the back side. If the gaps are all the same, see below.
Another possible problem, check to see if you have shims on the stile cutter. If so, remove one, and make another stile cut. It should fit better. If it’s closer, remove another. That should take care of that issue.. ........... Jerry (in Tucson)

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#10 posted 10-16-2021 10:15 PM

What is it that’s keeping the two pieces from going together?

I just did eight doors with a very similar profile. I just bought the bits at Rockler. I followed the same process as you…

Although, I did use a sled to hold my rails when I cut the coping ends. I hate it when they get off angle! But, that doesn’t look like your issue form the photos.

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#11 posted 10-16-2021 10:19 PM

Did the set come with really thin shims? I usually get Yonico sets on Amazon. They usually come with a couple very thin shims to fine tune, but they are usually good out of the box.

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#12 posted 10-16-2021 10:31 PM

The bit isn’t assembled correctly. The spacers are not positioned correctly.

Stiles are cut first. Rail ends last.

Get out your calipers and stack & restack to get the slot exactly 0.250”


Rail Stack.


Stile Stack.

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#13 posted 10-17-2021 07:59 PM



if you re using a router table, have you checked that your bits are perpendicular to the table surface in all directions?

- davezedlee


How would I do that?

-- Bob, North Carolina, ......... Perfect: adjective: 1- That which will get no better or no worse, as long as you leave it the heck alone!

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#14 posted 10-17-2021 08:01 PM



Everything looks about right except the bottom thin piece. Is that what the bearing is riding on or is the cutter just not removing enough material?

- controlfreak

apparently the cutter is not removing enough … in some places. The tenon and groove seem to be right, but the ogee does not exactly match up and therefore I can get the pieces to seat properly.

-- Bob, North Carolina, ......... Perfect: adjective: 1- That which will get no better or no worse, as long as you leave it the heck alone!

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#15 posted 10-17-2021 08:03 PM



Is this section fitting flush or is it gapped the same as the others shown?

The edges look almost ragged from this pic and wondered how clean/smooth it actually was.

- ManySplinters

must just be the pic. The edges are all pretty clean. The gap on the front is the same as the back.

-- Bob, North Carolina, ......... Perfect: adjective: 1- That which will get no better or no worse, as long as you leave it the heck alone!

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