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LGLDSR73

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09-27-2021 03:02 AM

Topic tags/keywords: porter cable router bits 43776pc 43743pc through dovetail

Greetings,

I have the Porter Cable 4216 Dovetail Jig and PC provides two Bits (not counting the Minatare Template and 1/4” Bits):

#43776PC, 17/32”, 7 degree, Dovetail Bit, 1/2” Shank

#43743PC, 13/32”, Straight Bit, 1/2” Shank

I am of the belief that PC is not going to be around forever and nor can I believe that these are the only two Bits on the Planet capable of making Through Dovetails with this Jig. That said, I have reached out to Freud, Whiteside and CMT and none had comparable Bits.

Is anyone using the 4216 Jig to create Through Dovetails and not PC Bits? I’ve also scoured the Internet looking for a cross reference guide to no avail.

Many thanks,

Lyman

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16


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therealSteveN

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#1 posted 09-27-2021 03:36 AM

Find the sizes, and correct degrees on the DT bits, make a cheat sheet so you can then check sites at the bigger places selling bits. I know in the past they often had “sets” for PC 4212’s, but in the last several years I don’t see that language anymore, but all of the bits that were in the sets are still available as singles. I think they cut back on specialty packaging, but still have the inventory, just sold per piece now. I see Brian is still having bits marked as for Keller, and Akeda jigs, but they are just single bits. Maybe you are correct and B$D has ruined a good name.

I like Holbren for Whitesides.

https://www.holbren.com/dovetail-router-bits/

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LittleBlackDuck

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#2 posted 09-27-2021 03:50 AM

Though they are not the cheapest, I’m farily confident that Leigh dovetailing bits will be around for quite a while

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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Rich

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#3 posted 09-27-2021 05:08 AM


That said, I have reached out to Freud, Whiteside and CMT and none had comparable Bits.

- LGLDSR73

I have these.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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LGLDSR73

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#4 posted 09-27-2021 11:26 AM



Find the sizes, and correct degrees on the DT bits, make a cheat sheet so you can then check sites at the bigger places selling bits. I know in the past they often had “sets” for PC 4212 s, but in the last several years I don t see that language anymore, but all of the bits that were in the sets are still available as singles. I think they cut back on specialty packaging, but still have the inventory, just sold per piece now. I see Brian is still having bits marked as for Keller, and Akeda jigs, but they are just single bits. Maybe you are correct and B$D has ruined a good name.

I like Holbren for Whitesides.

https://www.holbren.com/dovetail-router-bits/

- therealSteveN


Thanks Steve, and thanks for the links which I will definitely check out. I’m hoping this PC Jig wasn’t a mistake…I bought it pretty much specifically for Through DT’’s.

Best,
Lyman

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16

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LGLDSR73

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#5 posted 09-27-2021 11:26 AM



Find the sizes, and correct degrees on the DT bits, make a cheat sheet so you can then check sites at the bigger places selling bits. I know in the past they often had “sets” for PC 4212 s, but in the last several years I don t see that language anymore, but all of the bits that were in the sets are still available as singles. I think they cut back on specialty packaging, but still have the inventory, just sold per piece now. I see Brian is still having bits marked as for Keller, and Akeda jigs, but they are just single bits. Maybe you are correct and B$D has ruined a good name.

I like Holbren for Whitesides.

https://www.holbren.com/dovetail-router-bits/

- therealSteveN


Thanks Steve, and thanks for the links which I will definitely check out. I’m hoping this PC Jig wasn’t a mistake…I bought it pretty much specifically for Through DT’’s.

Best,
Lyman

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16

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LGLDSR73

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#6 posted 09-27-2021 11:29 AM



Though they are not the cheapest, I m farily confident that Leigh dovetailing bits will be around for quite a while

- LittleBlackDuck


Thank you, Sir! I will check them out!
Best,
Lyman

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16

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LGLDSR73

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#7 posted 09-27-2021 11:36 AM


That said, I have reached out to Freud, Whiteside and CMT and none had comparable Bits.

- LGLDSR73

I have these.

- Rich


Hi Rich! That’s great news! You’ve had no issues making Through DT’s with the PC Jig? I can’t make out the P/N on the Whiteside, could you please provide it.

Thank you for taking the time to photograph them, really appreciated.

Best,

Lyman

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16

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#8 posted 09-27-2021 12:17 PM

B&D kills everything it buys. Sad.

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LGLDSR73

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#9 posted 09-27-2021 12:19 PM



B&D kills everything it buys. Sad.

- ibewjon


How true.

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16

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#10 posted 09-27-2021 01:08 PM

The Whiteside looks like D7-531.

https://www.whitesiderouterbits.com/products/D7-531

There are a gazillion of those PC jigs out there (I have one). If PC goes away, somebody will be making those bits. It’s a common size.

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#11 posted 09-27-2021 01:14 PM

Thinking back to the jig itself, I don’t think there’s any reason a 1/2” or 3/8” dovetail bit couldn’t work, if those are easier to find.

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Rich

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#12 posted 09-27-2021 02:29 PM


Hi Rich! That s great news! You ve had no issues making Through DT s with the PC Jig? I can t make out the P/N on the Whiteside, could you please provide it.

Thank you for taking the time to photograph them, really appreciated.

- LGLDSR73

Although the Porter Cable bits included with my jig don’t suck, I do find the Whiteside and Freud bits to be superior. BTW, why do I have both brands? Ever go to the store and see something you already have, but forgot you have it, so you buy another? I guess I did that.

Freud and Whiteside make both bits, and I’m sure others do as well. The critical specifications are a 7º, 17/32” dovetail bit and a 13/32” straight bit. The mini dovetail bit is 7º, 9/32” and the mini straight is an easy-to-find 3/16”. That mini dovetail doesn’t seem to be as common, but Amana has one that matches the specs.

The Whiteside number is D7-531. They also make the D7-530 with a 1/4” shank, if that’s ever helpful. Their straight bit is the 1064A.

Freud’s bits are the 22-115 dovetail and the 12-112 straight.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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Rich

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#13 posted 09-27-2021 02:32 PM


Thinking back to the jig itself, I don t think there s any reason a 1/2” or 3/8” dovetail bit couldn t work, if those are easier to find.

- jonah

Those won’t work with the PC jig. It’s designed for the 7º, 17/32” bit only.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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Rich

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#14 posted 09-27-2021 03:11 PM

While I have my parts box out for the jig, I figured I’d share my setup block for the half-blind operation. As I’ve mentioned, the only factor in joint fit for the half-blind is the cut depth. Of course, if the tail board thickness changes, you have to account for that with the template location, but the cut depth will be the same.

The PC jig has a gauge on the side to set the bit depth for half-blinds. The idea is that you get the cut set up, and then adjust the stop on the gauge to it. What I don’t like about that gauge is that it’s small and allows the router to rock a little and that can affect the setting.

Instead I prefer this sort of block. I’ve made them for each of my Leigh DR4 Pro half-blind bits as well. This board is milled to the exact thickness to set the router cut depth perfectly (I just measured this one at 0.590”, but you’ll want to sneak up on the perfect fit on your own). I simply set it on a hard surface, and plunge the router bit down to touch, and it’s set.

I use this board in my demos, and it’s always perfect. No need to waste time doing a bunch of test cuts. Some seem to have difficulty comprehending that precise and repeatable settings like that are possible, but they are.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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LGLDSR73

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#15 posted 09-27-2021 03:30 PM



The Whiteside looks like D7-531.

https://www.whitesiderouterbits.com/products/D7-531

There are a gazillion of those PC jigs out there (I have one). If PC goes away, somebody will be making those bits. It s a common size.

- jonah


Thanks Jonah. I just heard from Whitside a moment ago and the D7-531 is not compatible with the PC 4216 Jig, only the 4210 / 4212.

Best

Lyman

-- "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - JOHN 3:16

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