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09-12-2021 12:50 PM

Topic tags/keywords: custom kitchen remodel cabinets

Hi everyone. I just wanted to post the guy thats installing custom cabinets for our house. I know one way of installing cabinets, and this is not it. I just wanted everyones take on if this is an acceptable way of doing them. The outside of the cabinets will be painted.


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#1 posted 09-12-2021 01:08 PM

Main things I saw was he didn’t make the side panels one whole panel, cutting out a piece of the corner for toe kick area. Instead, he make a small box for the bottom, and a big box for the upper part. The second photo is how the attached the bottom box to the top box. Other thing I noticed, rather than pocket hole joining, the were screwing from the outside and into the end grain of the plywood, which I know has a high percentage of splitting the plywood which is what is happening. Should this be a redo? Or is he just creating the boxes a different standard way? Thank you all for your input. I appreciate it.

This one I noticed, he didn’t even have the sides of the top box supported with anything below. The side panels are just secured by 4 side screws on each side.

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#2 posted 09-12-2021 01:15 PM

Main things I saw was he didn’t make the side panels one whole panel, cutting out a piece of the corner for toe kick area. Instead, he make a small box for the bottom, and a big box for the upper part. The second photo is how the attached the bottom box to the top box. Other thing I noticed, rather than pocket hole joining, the were screwing from the outside and into the end grain of the plywood, which I know has a high percentage of splitting the plywood which is what is happening. Should this be a redo? Or is he just creating the boxes a different standard way? Thank you all for your input. I appreciate it.

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#3 posted 09-12-2021 01:45 PM

The separate base frame isn’t uncommon. By separating it, it allows you to get six sides out of a 4×8 sheet. If you make it one piece, then you can only get four. That assumes it doesn’t show however, so it should either butt up against a wall, or have an end panel attached that matches the faces.

The construction does look cheap though.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#4 posted 09-12-2021 02:07 PM

You get different breakdowns on different layouts..throw a refrigerator end in and there’s your first monkey wrench on a perfect layout…

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#5 posted 09-12-2021 02:12 PM

I assume he’s using toe boards and finished ends?

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#6 posted 09-12-2021 02:14 PM


Hi everyone. I just wanted to post the guy thats installing custom cabinets for our house. I know one way of installing cabinets, and this is not it. I just wanted everyones take on if this is an acceptable way of doing them. The outside of the cabinets will be painted.

How do you know cabinet installation?

- Trevg


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#7 posted 09-12-2021 02:15 PM

Lots of ways to build cabinets – this one should be way down on the list. I agree that pocket screws on the stretchers will be stronger than screwing into the edge of the plywood. As is evident by the split. The drawer construction is also poorly executed. It looks like the drawer bottom is 1/8”. That may be ok for small drawers, but for pull-outs, he should be using 1/4” material. I’m no master builder to be sure, but I wouldn’t be satisfied with these as shop cabinets. Sorry if that sounds brutal, but if your guy considers these custom cabinets, he should be ashamed. I’d be looking elsewhere.

-- Mike - Waukesha, WI

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#8 posted 09-12-2021 02:18 PM


Hi everyone. I just wanted to post the guy thats installing custom cabinets for our house. I know one way of installing cabinets, and this is not it. I just wanted everyones take on if this is an acceptable way of doing them. The outside of the cabinets will be painted.

- Trevg

How do you know cabinet installation…

What I’ve been seeing is a lot of cuts made on tablesaws using incorrect blades. Things lately seem to be rough cut…

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#9 posted 09-12-2021 02:21 PM


Lots of ways to build cabinets – this one should be way down on the list. I agree that pocket screws on the stretchers will be stronger than screwing into the edge of the plywood. As is evident by the split. The drawer construction is also poorly executed. It looks like the drawer bottom is 1/8”. That may be ok for small drawers, but for pull-outs, he should be using 1/4” material. I m no master builder to be sure, but I wouldn t be satisfied with these as shop cabinets. Sorry if that sounds brutal, but if your guy considers these custom cabinets, he should be ashamed. I d be looking elsewhere.

- Firewood

We screw through ends all the time in commercial. No pocket screws.

Most splits are either too close to the edge or didn’t pre drill before installing the screws

Drawer bottom could be undersized plywood..

Mike Neithertons here in Odessa, Mo. Use to have a cabinet shop. He didn’t eve know how to build cabinets but had a lot of builder friends talk him into opening a shop. He build bad cabinets as I remember and sold it to another company, Craftsman Cabinet company. So the crappy cabinets continued.

It just tells me that people buy from people they know, yet don’t realize how bad their quality is…
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#10 posted 09-12-2021 02:22 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of construction and construction workers.

I’ve seen worse in multi million dollar homes. Seen better in 1200 sf 3/2’s on a slab. Toekick box is common. I do use hardwood for stretchers and not plywood drops but many don’t. Construction does appear cheap. How many bids you get? He was lowest and you went with it?

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#11 posted 09-12-2021 02:27 PM

I want to know how this shops work got into your home? Long time shop , friend, other?
I need not be so negative, there could be a lot more to this installation and could turn out very professional.

Everything I’ve seen so far may have no bearing on the final outcome of the cabinets…

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#12 posted 09-12-2021 03:58 PM

Kind of reminds me of some of my early work 30 odd years ago when i only had a circular saw.

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#13 posted 09-12-2021 04:21 PM

Along the lines of what has already been posted, that design isn’t all that unusual….but his craftsmanship is not all that great.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#14 posted 09-12-2021 04:30 PM

I’m surprised no one has mentioned the lack of rebates or dados. (or is butt joined plywood standard now?)

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#15 posted 09-12-2021 05:11 PM

You give him half down, you got any skin in the game?

If you run him off, you’re going to have to give him something.

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