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controlfreak

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09-01-2021 04:50 PM

I have a very small shop 10’ X 16’. Space is always at a premium, even when I add on now that lumber has gone down, space will still be at a premium. Current setup is a large shop vac with a cyclone pre-filter. It works okay but I am wanting something better.

Question: If I install a real dust collector can I use it to do things like vacuum floors and other things the shop vac is doing? My thinking is that if I can export a dedicated dust collector into an external “dust house” that I can build, I can gain 4 to 6 square feet of space which in my tiny world is huge.


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Fred Hargis

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#1 posted 09-01-2021 05:31 PM

If you hook a small hose to a DC, the air flow is very poor. I see some guys buy the Rockler 4” collapse able hose setup and use it (I’m told) for floor sweeping duties. But I think you need a shop vac no matter how good the DC is. What about storing the vac with the DC until needed?

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#2 posted 09-01-2021 05:36 PM



If you hook a small hose to a DC, the air flow is very poor. I see some guys buy the Rockler 4” collapse able hose setup and use it (I m told) for floor sweeping duties. But I think you need a shop vac no matter how good the DC is. What about storing the vac with the DC until needed?

- Fred Hargis


I was hoping short term to have one or two “hose ports” to connect to tools that could also double for vacuuming. If the dust control motor can’t pull junk off the floor it will never keep up with my DW735 planer.

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bigblockyeti

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#3 posted 09-01-2021 05:46 PM

I’m putting a floor sweep on mine with a blast gate, the opening will only be tall enough for some bigger chips to be swept in, maybe 3/4” tall and ~10” wide. My 1hp collector has plenty of power even with a dirty filter pulling through its 4’ hose to pick up anything I would want it to off the floor. My bigger 2hp cyclonic collector should perform far better even through more duct once the layout is finalized and installed.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#4 posted 09-01-2021 05:52 PM

I use a central vac system as my “shop vac”. It saves on floor space in my small shop and allows me to have DC on the smaller tools, miter saw, drill press, router table etc… Plus it handles all of the clean up duties. While mine hangs on a shop wall, it could easily be located outside. If you look on craigslist a unit can be had for less money than a shop vac. The 2” ducting is proprietary to central vacs, but is very inexpensive either on line or through a local vacuum dealer. Blast gates are available from most woodworking stores.

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#5 posted 09-01-2021 06:06 PM

To keep my floor clean, after each relatively big building session I hit all the surfaces with compressed air. This helps to prevent dust buildup and keeps things looking relatively neat. I have to run an air filter after (a souped up 20” box fan with a hepa-grade filter on top).

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#6 posted 09-01-2021 06:10 PM

Thanks Yeti, time to go shopping!

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#7 posted 09-01-2021 06:13 PM



I use a central vac system as my “shop vac”. It saves on floor space in my small shop and allows me to have DC on the smaller tools, miter saw, drill press, router table etc… Plus it handles all of the clean up duties. While mine hangs on a shop wall, it could easily be located outside. If you look on craigslist a unit can be had for less money than a shop vac. The 2” ducting is proprietary to central vacs, but is very inexpensive either on line or through a local vacuum dealer. Blast gates are available from most woodworking stores.

- Bob5103


That is interesting as I used to install those in the past. It could do the smaller stuff but the planer no way. Good idea though.

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tvrgeek

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#8 posted 09-01-2021 06:19 PM

The Fein shop vac with mini CV cyclone is one of the best tools in my shop. You need the high vac for things like portable tools and clean up where you need the high flow of a DC for big machines. Different jobs, different solutions.
I don’t have a floor sweep. If I sweep it up anyway, I just use use a dust pan.

i NEVER NEVER use compressed air for cleanup. The last thing I want is to make that small dangerous dust air-born where I can breath it. That said, about once a week, I open up the shop, don a 3/4 face respirator and take the leaf blower to it. Next day, I go in and vacuum. If about to do finishing, I will blow it out two days in a row, though my last bit I did outside and it was even cleaner.

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#9 posted 09-01-2021 06:37 PM

Check out the Oneida Supercell. Not cheap but it does DC and shop vac duty. It works on all my big equipment including the DW735 planer. I posted a review of it as well.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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splintergroup

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#10 posted 09-01-2021 07:08 PM

I bought the Rockler vacuum attachment when it was on sale a few years back. Fits a 4” hose so I just attach it to my 4” drop running to my mobiles (BS and router tables). About 20’ of flex hose gets me to 90% of my 25×24 shop floor.

I like it for vacuuming and it is “ok” for cleaning the TS, but really too cumbersome for use off of the floor. In those cases I just use the hose.

Not a game changer but It does a much better job than a broom on the roughish concrete floor.

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Kelly

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#11 posted 09-01-2021 07:27 PM

My shop is 1,800 square feet and I’m glad I can vacuum it with my 4” wand, rather than my 2-1/2” one.

In the frequent blue moons that come round, I switch to the shop vac, because the suction is better [and I still use it religiously for my hand sanders].

A shop vac may pick up a bowling ball, while a dust collector is mocked by any ball worth owning. However, my dust collector works well enough for vacuum work I bought a smaller one just to be able to take it and the Super Dust Deputy cyclone out into the yard for pine cone and leaf clean up.

Since everything is spun out in the cyclone, the impeller does not get beaten to death.

The only problem with vacuuming with a dust collector is, your aviator sun glasses will be toast. Impellers do not discriminate. With a Super Dust Deputy in front of the collector, that is no longer a problem, since it just spins things out.

An example of the dust collector :

https://www.instructables.com/Lawn-Vacuum-System-Using-Woodshop-Equipment/

As to the flex hose mentioned by others, here is my LJ review of that exercise device:

https://www.lumberjocks.com/reviews/7002

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MPython

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#12 posted 09-01-2021 08:15 PM

Here is the link to the Oneida Super Cell that Earl S menioned. Not inexpensive but it might be your answer.

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v

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tingaling

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#13 posted 09-02-2021 06:49 PM

I have a high hp DC and use a 4” hose that extends to the corners of my 2 car garage workshop as shown.

-- Nick, now in the heat of Sacramento

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controlfreak

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#14 posted 09-02-2021 07:20 PM



Here is the link to the Oneida Super Cell that Earl S menioned. Not inexpensive but it might be your answer.

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v

- MPython


Over $2K wow, if I put that in a outside cabinet I will need an alarm on it.

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Mike

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#15 posted 09-25-2021 03:22 PM

How about locating your shop vac in the “dust house” alongside the dust collector? You could use a remote control on it. I purchased 2 Fosmon 15amp programable units with an 80 ft range on Amazon for $31. IIRC,I could have got one single outlet for $18 or so. That way you wouldn’t have to listen to the shop vac either!

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