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woodrookiepatriot

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08-06-2021 06:08 AM

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I have never been afraid to pay for quality, whether it be tools, materials, hardware, etc. I learned early on in life that you get what you pay for… as we all have. That being said, in my cabinet building projects I have always been confident using the Hillman products that are readily available, when it comes to hardware. I have also used the ACE Hardware house brand for most of my previous projects, with great results. Screws, nuts, washers, hinges, specialty tools, etc. I like ACE for sure, but today this happened. I’ve accidentally snapped a screw head with a driver, but never by hand. This thing broke off like butter, with no resistance, and it happened again with a second one a few minutes later.

-- BAM


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Madmark2

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#1 posted 08-06-2021 07:00 AM

Incomplete casting. Very odd. Probably a one-off thing. Let ‘em know, they should make good, esp. if you have a box of ‘em.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#2 posted 08-06-2021 08:14 AM

Sorry to see your hardware is failing.

BTDTGTTS #IAMAKLUTZ and I can strip head on #4 brass screw with only two fingers on the screw driver.

IME – don’t trust brass screws, and rarely use them. Replace all my brass hardware screws with brass plated steel. Even the $5 el-cheapo 500pc brass plated screw assortment from Horror Freight are stronger and fail more consistent than plain brass.

TIP: When I am stuck using special brass hardware screws, I always drive a same size waxed steel screw into the hole first, then remove it; and install the brass screw.

Best Luck.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#3 posted 08-06-2021 08:40 AM

Hillman screws are not good. Especially their wood screws. Use a different brand.

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#4 posted 08-06-2021 12:21 PM

Looks like the recess for the driver was formed too deep. I get my brass screws at the local True Value. The Hillman ones at Lowes always look and feel rough and unfinished to me. I’ve never had any kind of structural issue like that with them though.

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#5 posted 08-06-2021 12:47 PM


TIP: When I am stuck using special brass hardware screws, I always drive a same size waxed steel screw into the hole first, then remove it; and install the brass screw.
- CaptainKlutz

+1 . I do this with good results. I have also learned that drywall screws as a ‘quick’ holder cost me hours of time with a chisel and vicegrips. :)

Like everyone said, you got a bad batch for sure.

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#6 posted 08-06-2021 12:49 PM


TIP: When I am stuck using special brass hardware screws, I always drive a same size waxed steel screw into the hole first, then remove it; and install the brass screw.

Best Luck.

- CaptainKlutz

This bears repeating because it will allow you to use brass for it’s look, even if it is a soft metal, easily marred or broken.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#7 posted 08-07-2021 12:35 AM


TIP: When I am stuck using special brass hardware screws, I always drive a same size waxed steel screw into the hole first, then remove it; and install the brass screw.

Best Luck.

- CaptainKlutz

This bears repeating because it will allow you to use brass for it s look, even if it is a soft metal, easily marred or broken.

- therealSteveN

ECHO, ECHo, ECho, Echo, echo!... personally brass screws are for looks. The will hold hinges and plates for lightweight duty… if you want grunt… brass plate (as opposed to China) is the way to go.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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woodrookiepatriot

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#8 posted 08-07-2021 07:16 AM

I have broken off screw heads before, from over-torque-ing, and the screw breaks off where the shank meets the head, but I have never seen screws snap off with a c;lean hole in the middle of the head like this. I wanted to clarify, these were not Hillman screws. These were the screws that came with a set of hinges from ACE. I did solve the issue by waxing the threads before screwing them into the pilot holes, and that seemed to do the trick. I was just shocked to see these screws fail “where” they failed. I’d never seen a screw-head snap off and leave a clean hole right in the center like this. Thanks once again for all the imput! You guys rock!

-- BAM

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#9 posted 08-07-2021 03:49 PM

Looks like brass screws. I always use a pilot hole with brass screws. And with a dense wood like hickory, I’ll sometimes drill a pilot hole and run in a steel screw in & out. Then Install the brass screw. Sometimes I’ll use bees wax. Never had a problem with brass screws this way. I also get most of my screws, from Ace Hardware. The Ace’s in my area carry a larger variety compared to the box stores.

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1thumb

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#10 posted 08-07-2021 05:25 PM

GRK or Spax. All else pales in comparison

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