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LeslieJohn

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08-02-2021 12:15 PM

Hi There!

I bought a Kington waterstone 8000 grids a few years ago. And never used it since. Last night cleaned up my workshop and found it. Thought I lost it. Still in very good shape. I asked myself why I stopped using it. Then I remember when I tried it again.

First I freshly grind a new 25 degee bevel on one of my plane iron. Few strokes on my oilstone uising soapwater till I get a burr on it. Then I flatten the waterstone and wetten it. Then a few stroke on my waterstone the iron just skid/slip on it. I want to do the secondary bevel with the waterstone but no success. What am I doing wrong on the waterstone?

Any idea guys!

Thks

Les

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#1 posted 08-02-2021 12:22 PM

Are you honing free-hand? If so, it’s possible that you’re angling the blade just a bit too high and the edge/burr is digging into the stone. This is a lot more of an issue when you get to finer abrasives than with your harder stones. One solution is to drag the blade towards you only and not push the edge into the stone. Another is to use a honing guide of some sort to be sure your angle is consistent.

All that is addressing the “skidding” issue. As far as slipping, that sounds like your stone is clogged. I’ve never used water stones so I can’t offer any good advice on that one.

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#2 posted 08-02-2021 12:54 PM

Yes I do remove the burr by flatten the back of the chisel on the oilstone before using the waterstone. And yes I do the pull strokes. I do it freehand for many years on oilstone and using the strop. But want to try the waterstone.

-- leslie john

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#3 posted 08-02-2021 01:09 PM

well not sure what is causing that issue. i use a King 8000 waterstone for my micro bevel and have never had a problem. but if what you have been doing before works for you, there is nothing magical about the waterstone. just keep doing what you have been doing.

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#4 posted 08-02-2021 02:30 PM

I’m sorry, that is frustrating.
- Maybe there is oil on your waterstone? It might cause poor or weird behavior. You said yours ‘soapwater’ so maybe you don’t have oil.
- Maybe the waterstone is working, but it just feels like it is slipping. Do you get a mirror finish if you look at it under a magnifying glass?

(I only use waterstones.)

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#5 posted 08-02-2021 04:55 PM

I only use soapwater (water with little dish soap) on my oil stones only. Works very well. On my watersone I use plain tap water. Do I get a mirror finish from my waterstone? No! I am trying to get the mirror finish but the chisel just skate over it.

-- leslie john

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#6 posted 08-02-2021 06:21 PM

can you post a pic of your stone?

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#7 posted 08-03-2021 03:31 PM

What metal is the plane iron, A-1 and 0-2 polish very differently, I find PMV-11 very similar to A-1 just slightly longer to get a polish. As for the skipping my guess would be technique :)

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#8 posted 08-03-2021 04:04 PM

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#9 posted 08-03-2021 04:04 PM

Metal only says chrome vanadium steel

-- leslie john

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#10 posted 08-03-2021 05:07 PM

CrV steels can be all over the map in terms of actual alloy and hardness. Do you have a tool steel blade you can try? It’s possible the CrV steel is softer than most plane irons and is just clogging the stone.

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#11 posted 08-03-2021 07:30 PM

How thoroughly are you wetting the stone? The water carries the metal swarf to the edges of the stone. If the stone becomes glazed with swarf you can remove it with a nagura stone.

I get the stone wet enough that water sits on top. Some people may not do this but I always have.

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