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Forum topic by jayseedub posted 07-14-2021 06:38 PM 1339 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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jayseedub

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07-14-2021 06:38 PM

Topic tags/keywords: sawstop saw stop woodpecker woodpeckers table saw fence fence microadjust micro-adjust micro adjust table saw tablesaw ts precision precise

Does anyone have the Woodpeckers Rip-Flip table saw fence “system?” (I know some of you will be tempted to comment on Woodpecker’s high prices, etc—but that’s not what I’m asking about here, thank you!)

—How much do you find it serves your needs?

—Anything you thought it would help with that it doesn’t really….?

—What other solutions did you consider before buying it—and did you compromise on those alternatives in some way?

—Are the two included stops enough—or do you find yourself wishing you’d bought more, or do you need more for your work?

—Does it get in the way of any other table saw work you do, in any way?

—If you didn’t buy it, go ahead and tell me why you think it’s not great, or a waste of money!

I’m probably most interested in the “micro-adjust” feature that it offers, but the repeatable stops might have some utility for me. The dado function seems a little clunky (needs an allen wrench—really?)—but I can see it being useful sometimes. It seems low-profile, too, so that’s nice.


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BlueRidgeDog

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#1 posted 07-15-2021 12:17 AM

I don’t have it, but every fence I have ever used “moved” a small amount when pressing the leaver down. As such, a flip stop for the table saw fence would be an interesting thing to setup.

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#2 posted 07-15-2021 12:46 AM

Before I spend 200 on something like that, I would spend 500 on Incra’s fence. That way repeatability at any distance is automatically built in.

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#3 posted 07-15-2021 12:47 AM

It’s a two-measurement incra for 1/2 the cost of one.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#4 posted 07-15-2021 01:05 AM

I’m eyeing their exact width dado jig and exact 90 miter gauge. Woodpeckers makes some drool worthy tools, but the Rip Flip isn’t one that appealed to me. It is funny though because I can’t imagine being without my Kreg flip stops.

Maybe I should give it another look.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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CWWoodworking

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#5 posted 07-15-2021 02:25 AM



I m eyeing their exact width dado jig and exact 90 miter gauge. Woodpeckers makes some drool worthy tools, but the Rip Flip isn t one that appealed to me. It is funny though because I can t imagine being without my Kreg flip stops.

Maybe I should give it another look.

- pintodeluxe

I have the kreg stops on chop saw. Really like them too. But the difference is the measurement is built in. With the woodpecker, you have to recalibrate the stops every time you want to do a different dimension.

That’s the main reason I’d go with incra. After 1 calibration, it perfect for any dimension, every time.

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#6 posted 07-15-2021 05:52 AM

Don’t have one and never will. First I’m not giving up my uni-fence, and second I can make dadoes that fit without it.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#7 posted 07-15-2021 10:51 AM

It mounts in the same place as my Wixey. I like the idea, but was thinking of a pair of clamp on blocks. Kind of like my clamp on front table supports.

Incra fence requires more right side space.

T square fences do move a tiny bit ( though some fine tuning reduces it)

In other words, a table saw fence is not perfected yet. There are features of all that are good. Features of all not so good. Little things, like the through bolts that hold the aluminum rail on my fence don’t have internal guides so the are a bit fiddley. I liked the far side lock on my Ridgid, but not having the opening to the outfeed. I would make the T fence an L fence for more rip width in the same footprint. ( then sell a left-hand version as an option). It would have a moveable scale to be easy to zero like a Wixey, but passive. At least 3 X magnification and a twin hair graticule to eliminate parallax error. It would have multiple built-in stops. Heck, my 1902 type writer had them!

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jayseedub

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#8 posted 07-15-2021 02:11 PM

@CWWoodworking and @Madamark2—I love the idea of the Incra fence—I think that’d be my dream—but I don’t have the space for the long bar that sticks out at the side. If they could figure out a way to make that hinged or curled—or something else I’d eventually move to that solution—but it’s just not practical for my situation.

How about the Wixey digital readout? That seems like a cross between what the Incra does and the Woodpeckers—not with stops, but with numbers and some pretty high degree of accuracy: http://www.wixey.com/fence/

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jayseedub

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#9 posted 07-15-2021 02:12 PM

@tvrgeek—any complaints about the Wixey? I think that’s an attractive idea.

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#10 posted 07-15-2021 02:42 PM

Two factors at play here, accuracy and repeability. The Wixey gives you accuracy but without repeatability. With an Incra I can cut box joints with perfect accuracy and repeatability. With the incra and a dado blade you can cut, move, & repeat quickly WITHOUT a jig, tweaking or test cuts. The incra accuracy is built in since it always locks on a 1/32” (or 0.5 mm) increment every time +-0.002” instantly.

The Wixey still needs a jig to cut box joints ‘cause you’ll spend forever getting each move to +-0.002” and the cumulative errors will kill you.

I want a Wixey just to confirm the cross hair reading on the incra.

jayceedub:
Move the saw towards the left wall. The Incra is wide but it doesn’t take all the space all the time. Move the fence near zero and the end of the ‘T’ bar isn’t much further than a standard fence. The 32” version may actually be narrower than some stock fences when not in use.

Make the space. It’ll take your saw work to the next level. Trust me, it’s worth both the space and the cost.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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jayseedub

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#11 posted 07-15-2021 02:50 PM

@Madmark2—Maybe I’m not aware of the full capabilities of the Incra fence… If you want to cut at 14-1/32”, don’t you still have to find that “detent” to get it set there? Is there a way to pre-set that dimension, cut, move to another dimension, then return to it?

If so, isn’t that the same as finding that measurement on the Wixey, cutting, moving to another dimension, then finding it again on the Wixey? I guess you’ll still need to bump and nudge the Wixey—that’s what you’re saying, right? That IS irritating.

I don’t do any production work, so it’s rare that I’d need to actually use a pre-set stop—and I’m more interested in high accuracy, I guess (the more I read and write here, the clearer my requirements become—thanks to everyone’s thoughts/insights!)

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Dave Mills

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#12 posted 07-15-2021 02:56 PM

It appears I may be the only one so far on the thread to have the Rip-Flip. It’s on my SawStop, and I use it fairly often, for two purposes. The more common is to dial in cuts to a certain position and then be able to not only repeat that cut, but pull the stop out of the way to use the saw for something else, then put the stop back in its position. The other is using the stops on both sides, their dado functionality. I have a tendency to make stuff that needs slots, say for the bottom of a box, or some other piece of trim. The ability to set a right and a left stop is pretty cool. In the pic below, not only was I making a 1/4” groove, but that groove was in different places on the trim and I could just move the stops paired together to put the same groove in a different position.

-- Dave

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Madmark2

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#13 posted 07-15-2021 03:30 PM

14-1/32” is one tick past 14”. Yes you have to pick the tick as it were, but it’s fast and easy to return to that measure exactly with no rap-tap & fence shift during lock (as most fences do).

If you ever botch a piece (esp of a set) you’ll think the Incra is a godsend.

The Rip Flip concept is great but I make more crosscuts than rips. The two stops on a miter gauge might be handy for half laps where you’re hogging out between two points but for ripping? I mean even on face frames 1/32” width error really isn’t going to show and as long as you’re batch cutting resetting isn’t much of an issue.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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jayseedub

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#14 posted 07-15-2021 04:12 PM

@Dave Mills—I hadn’t thought about the ability to move those dado-stops anywhere—thanks for pointing that out! Any idea how wide a “dado” the stops allow when connected in that way? What’s the “max-width” possible, if you know?

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#15 posted 07-15-2021 04:20 PM



@Dave Mills—I hadn t thought about the ability to move those dado-stops anywhere—thanks for pointing that out! Any idea how wide a “dado” the stops allow when connected in that way? What s the “max-width” possible, if you know?

I just went out and measured 1-5/16 from left to right. I may not have had enough coffee this morning, but I think that means the largest dado would be 1-7/16 since you would add the kerf of the blade to one side of the dado.

-- Dave

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