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bbrown

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06-23-2021 10:00 PM

Hey folks,

I just acquired a 25 inch Baleigh planer that weighs 450 pounds. https://www.baileigh.com/media/uploads/manuals/IP-156_IP-156-HH_04-2019.pdf

I have a small shop and will be needing to move this around a lot. I have everything on wheels and was wondering what you might suggest for something this heavy. My shop floor is Southern Yellow pine and it does dent pretty easily, so I think I will need fat wheels.

Thanks,

—Bill

-- Traditional Woodworking & Carving classes at my shop in Coastal Maine: http://www.MaineCoastWorkshop.com


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#1 posted 06-23-2021 11:07 PM

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#2 posted 06-23-2021 11:24 PM

Make you own and pick caster with the wide wheels. It’s really not hard. I glued and screwed white oak for my 300# planner and only thing is I wish I had used a better caster but they work.

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#3 posted 06-24-2021 01:00 AM

I have my 450 lbs tablesaw on a Grizzly Bearcrawl and love it. Super sturdy and glides around.

When I was looking around, it seemed to be the most reasonably priced for the weight rating. All the ones that I’ve used that say they hold around 500 pounds will flex under that kind of weight.

The bearcrawl is waaay sturdier and the weight rating is 1200 lbs and it sells for around $100.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC

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#4 posted 06-24-2021 02:21 AM

I have this Rockler all terrain base under my bandsaw. works great, and is rated for 800#

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-all-terrain-mobile-base-holds-up-to-800-lbs

-- John

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#5 posted 06-24-2021 02:29 AM

Another vote for Grizzly Bear Crawl, have one on a PM 15HH planer and PM 719T mortiser.

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#6 posted 06-24-2021 03:51 AM

I usually buy one of those kits that’s meant for 2×2 lumber. Instead of wood, I use square steel stock and bolt them to the corner brackets in the kit. Supports my Delta DJ 20 just fine, and that’s a hefty unit too.
The kits are available at Rockler and elsewhere. The best part is, you can size them however you need.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#7 posted 06-24-2021 04:17 AM

IMHO:
A) Smooth floors = Grizzly Bear Crawl or new upgraded Shop Fox with same wheels (cast iron core, poly tire).
Bear crawl can hold 800lbs OK, not sure I believe the 1500lb rating? Despite the HD Shop Fox having a lower rating than Bear Crawl, it has beefier frame? With the same wheels, they have same ~700-800lb load capacity in my book.

B) Rough floors or deep grooves (need taller wheels) = Rockrap All Terrain Base

My All Terrain Base review that explains these suggestions.

I now have a 800lb 20” four post planer riding on a Rockrap All Terrain Base. Regardless of rating, 600lbs is pretty much the limit of it what can handle for tool moved frequently. The sides are too thin and they flex supporting more than 600lb. Had to add a plywood sub-base to help spread 800lb weight on corner supports and reduce the flexing as it moves around shop.

PS – Portamate recently released a new HD PM-3800 mobile base. Has taller wheels like All Terrain base, stiffer frame like Super Heavy Duty Shop Fox, and 1500lb rated capacity? They retail for more than the All Terrain. Have not seen one discount since introduction last year, or I would might have bought one to try on my monster 20” planer?
Watching this thread hoping some one shares some experience with one. The other Portamate bases are joke to use on tool over 200lbs, so am very skeptical of Bora Portamate PM-3800.

Best Luck.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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bbrown

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#8 posted 06-24-2021 12:01 PM

Great suggestions folks. Thanks! I was not even aware of the Grizzly base.

I definitely thought of just making my own: plywood platform and nice big beefy wheels that you don’t seem to get on the manufactured bases (for some odd reason). I might still do that.
How easy is the Bear Crawl to work?

There’s also the issue of how easy is it to work the levers and foot pedals. This becomes a concern when the machine has to be moved a lot. Some are just a pain to get your foot on and not designed very well ergonomically.

Another issue: It seems to me that it can be hard to maneuver my mobile bases that have the two wheels in-line and two wheel with free 360 degree swivel. I always seem to need to move the unit in a way that it just does not want to go. Isn’t it better to have all 4 wheels swivel?

Lastly, any suggestions on how I might get a 450+ pound machine onto the base? This is a dilemma I also need to solve. I don’t have easy access to 4 weightlifters in my area of rural Maine.
-Bill

Thanks again – great feedback; much appreciated.

-- Traditional Woodworking & Carving classes at my shop in Coastal Maine: http://www.MaineCoastWorkshop.com

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#9 posted 06-24-2021 02:29 PM


... How easy is the Bear Crawl to work? Isn t it better to have all 4 wheels swivel?

Lastly, any suggestions on how I might get a 450+ pound machine onto the base?


Bear crawl maneuvers nicely. The lift levers are easy to use, as they don’t lift very high. The fixed/swivel wheel combo is easier to control than all swivel, IMHO. All swivel requires the machine to move 3-4 inches to get wheels turned same direction, or each corner has a mind of it’s own as they spin. If you only want to move it 2 inches, end up moving it out far enough to straighten wheels, and then back to get into position. Other option is to manually reach down and point wheels in right direction. The fixed/swivel combo behaves much more repeatable, but does require some driving skills.

Loading a 15” planer onto mobile base is not too hard. Most have 2 steel bars that slide out, and can used as lift points with forklift, over head hoist with sling, or engine lift sling; if you have one?
My son and this antique can pick one up 3-4 inches, using our legs to press the weight vertical. Slide a couple 2×4 onto table, tighten the height adjustment to capture the boards, and put one under each arm. Use legs to lift vertical, just enough to slide the mobile base under it. Lifters don’t move, the base does. Doing it solo will require you to block up one side (maybe with vehicle jack). Can then pick up other side, and walk in onto base.

15” planers tend to be slightly top heavy, so they are easy to tilt 20-30° and walk around on one corner at time if you have solid base. Not recommended on units with 4 splayed legs. It is better to have helper when tilting and walking the tool around to help keep it balanced and not fall over, but they don’t need to be strong; just have enough weight to block movement in wrong direction as you tip and roll base under it.

YMMV

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#10 posted 06-24-2021 02:38 PM


There s also the issue of how easy is it to work the levers and foot pedals. This becomes a concern when the machine has to be moved a lot. Some are just a pain to get your foot on and not designed very well ergonomically. How easy is the Bear Crawl to work? Lastly, any suggestions on how I might get a 450+ pound machine onto the base? This is a dilemma I also need to solve. I don t have easy access to 4 weightlifters in my area of rural Maine.

The levers are very easy to operate. Almost too easy. I actually added some small neoprene pads to add some friction.

The Bear Crawl includes instructions to build the base around the unit, in the case that it’s too heavy to lift. That’s exactly what I did. You just need a 2×4 and either a 4×4 or 2 2×4s nailed/screwed together. I did the entire thing by myself and I’m not exactly the strongest guy on the block.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC

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bbrown

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#11 posted 06-24-2021 02:50 PM

Thank you CK and Joe. I will order the Bear Claw and like the idea of building it around the planer. Great advice and much appreciated.

Addendum: I ordered the T31566 ($147) All-swivel base. It appears that the all-swivel works well in tight spaces with the configuration that they use. Hope so.

—Bill

-- Traditional Woodworking & Carving classes at my shop in Coastal Maine: http://www.MaineCoastWorkshop.com

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#12 posted 06-24-2021 03:59 PM



I have this Rockler all terrain base under my bandsaw. works great, and is rated for 800#

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-all-terrain-mobile-base-holds-up-to-800-lbs

- bigJohninvegas


+1 i have three and there the best base ive tried,roll very easy.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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bbrown

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#13 posted 06-24-2021 04:23 PM

Meant to say that the T31566 is a Grizzly product. https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-bear-crawl-all-swivel-hd-mobile-base/t31566

-- Traditional Woodworking & Carving classes at my shop in Coastal Maine: http://www.MaineCoastWorkshop.com

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bbrown

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#14 posted 06-24-2021 04:25 PM

I do like the look of that Rockler base. A bit pricey at $220 plus shipping though.

-- Traditional Woodworking & Carving classes at my shop in Coastal Maine: http://www.MaineCoastWorkshop.com

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#15 posted 06-24-2021 05:24 PM


I do like the look of that Rockler base. A bit pricey at $220 plus shipping though.

- bbrown


if your not in a hurry rockler puts them on sale once or twice a year normally,thats when ive bought mine.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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