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Forum topic by Karda posted 06-23-2021 09:56 PM 515 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Karda

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06-23-2021 09:56 PM

I have a beyond cheap back saw i am practicing on 11 PPi sharpening rip how do you keep the teeth inorder when you set them, I have to use magnifiers but the teeth look so much the same. If it was cross cut I would have the fleam to go by


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#1 posted 06-23-2021 10:08 PM

Before you pick up the sawset, use a sharpie or dykem to mark each of the teeth leaning away from you.

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#2 posted 06-23-2021 10:17 PM

Yep use 2 different sharpies. I use red and black.

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#3 posted 06-23-2021 10:46 PM

Go buy another saw or send it out for resharpening!

Rationale

I am 70 yo I have poor eyesight hearing and balance, but I do have some superannuation.
I sharpen chain saw blades regularly.
I have a machine to do it, (had to buy it) (I don’t own a saw set) however I still need my glasses a magnifying glass and sharpies just to do a chain saw blade, so anything smaller is out of the question.

Reason:-
I enjoy using my tools ad machines to do woodwork not repair, or build and do anything but routine maintenance on them. so its a bit like learning how to build a wooden wheel for your car….unless your waiting for glue to dry or something like that, mind you there is always coffee and or beer!

Exceptions:-
Unless its really annoying me, like a short power cord or the likes. But dont let LBD know.
Then there are the critical fixes like my ROS flinging off my Abranet or Sisa sanding disks while i am trying to do a job.

The Cost:-
The cost of having a saw blade regardless of its size resharpened needs to n be evaluated and considered in respect to, repair or replace as does the outlay and the return of service later of having a new or near new tool.
Bend a tooth the wrong way or incorrectly set the set , or the set moves on you and you risk snapping a tooth.

the Decision:-
For example my pull saw is a replace the blade no ifs or butts ….or is that buts?
My 12” or 305 mm circular saw blades have a repair or replace line in the sand.
If there are a few teeth missing its almost replace with new blade.
If its just re sharpen only is the initial cost outlay and the cost of resharpening to consider if the resharpen. As a good engineering rule if the cost is near or about 75% of the new outlay I would as much as I dislike doing it buy a new one.

Other benefits:-
Then you have the ability to add the old one to, ....Use these for unknown buried treasure jobs.

Wait there is more:-

You could set a bad example to grand kids and act like a Ninja Worrirer as show them how to lop the tops of Grands Gerberas/ or Fav Roses in the garden!!... whats going to happen? maybe she may tell you your old and stupid…. But have fun practicing I ended up with four great kids as a result!

-- Regards Rob

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Karda

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#4 posted 06-24-2021 03:15 AM

or you can do it because its a skill you want to learn

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WoodenDreams

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#5 posted 06-24-2021 05:12 PM

I like the tip for using a magic marker on the teeth. You can save some money and get longer use of the saw blades. I find it easier to just replace than resharpen. I give away my worn blades to a friend, he sharpens them and he saves them for future use or he paints the blades for art or makes a clock out of them.

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#6 posted 06-24-2021 06:44 PM

I have been thinking about the sharpie thing but not for the set. I have trouble on the cross cut teeth I was thinking about using a fat black sharpie to darken the face of the teeth so I can figure out the contact points and easily skip every other tooth. I also have a lot of anxiety when I flip the saw will the angle be backwards or the same direction? I’ll figure it out. Saw till is mostly done and still need to make a mount for my saw vise since the new bench is too thick. I may try the red and black for the set as well.

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#7 posted 06-25-2021 04:45 PM



I have been thinking about the sharpie thing but not for the set. I have trouble on the cross cut teeth I was thinking about using a fat black sharpie to darken the face of the teeth so I can figure out the contact points and easily skip every other tooth. I also have a lot of anxiety when I flip the saw will the angle be backwards or the same direction? I ll figure it out. Saw till is mostly done and still need to make a mount for my saw vise since the new bench is too thick. I may try the red and black for the set as well.

- controlfreak

I use red Dykem to mark the teeth. Also, and Marv taught me this years ago, I don’t reverse the saw, I simply reverse the fleam on my Veritas file holder, and keep filing on the same side. Once I started doing this, my filing improved to the point that when it comes off the vice its ready to be put to wood without any more touchups.

-- Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

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Karda

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#8 posted 06-25-2021 05:39 PM

I have a modern piece of junk i am using as a practice plate. I am filing sal on one side but it rip so i can do that. i am going to try it crosscut as well

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controlfreak

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#9 posted 06-25-2021 06:03 PM


I use red Dykem to mark the teeth. Also, and Marv taught me this years ago, I don t reverse the saw, I simply reverse the fleam on my Veritas file holder, and keep filing on the same side. Once I started doing this, my filing improved to the point that when it comes off the vice its ready to be put to wood without any more touchups.

- AdmiralRich


Dykem ordered! Are you making the filed face of the teeth? Veritas file holder, hmmm, may need to look that up. I don’t know why my mind says that I need to reverse the saw. I think I will do better without reversing too.

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#10 posted 06-25-2021 06:04 PM


I use red Dykem to mark the teeth. Also, and Marv taught me this years ago, I don t reverse the saw, I simply reverse the fleam on my Veritas file holder, and keep filing on the same side. Once I started doing this, my filing improved to the point that when it comes off the vice its ready to be put to wood without any more touchups.

- AdmiralRich

+1 for red Dykem. There are very few, if any, blades in my shop that haven’t been dyed up at one time or another. I use it on saws for jointing and filing primarily. The filed areas are unmistakable. As far as setting, I’m not sure whether or not most saw sets would remove the dye to make it evident which teeth had already been set. Once it get the first 1/2 dozen or so set, it’s usually pretty easy to look with a magnifier and see which one should be next. One option might be to over set them so it’s more obvious and easy to see then after you’re done, go back and reduce the set.

-- I collect hobbies. There is no sense in limiting yourself (Don W) - - - - - - - - Kenny in SW VA

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#11 posted 06-25-2021 06:08 PM


... I don t know why my mind says that I need to reverse the saw. I think I will do better without reversing too.

- controlfreak

I only file teeth that are set away personally. You can feel and hear a difference when you file ones that are set towards you. It’s harder for me to get consistent results filing like that personally. But, skin that cat any way that works for you!

I will second the recommendation for the Veritas file guide too. My shop made wood block ones work just as well but the size and adjustability of the Veritas is well worth the cost.

-- I collect hobbies. There is no sense in limiting yourself (Don W) - - - - - - - - Kenny in SW VA

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#12 posted 06-25-2021 07:34 PM


I will second the recommendation for the Veritas file guide too. My shop made wood block ones work just as well but the size and adjustability of the Veritas is well worth the cost.

- HokieKen


Well crap, I though the Veritas saw file holder would cure my ODO (Order Dis-Order) but it is out of stock till January.

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#13 posted 06-25-2021 07:38 PM

Hmmm. It’s 46.50 on their site. I’ll sell you mine for $140 ;-) JK, I don’t really want to sell it. I’d be willing to lend it out though if you just wanted it for a short time.

-- I collect hobbies. There is no sense in limiting yourself (Don W) - - - - - - - - Kenny in SW VA

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#14 posted 06-25-2021 11:51 PM

HokieKen

You are truly a “Prince among men”

Your selflessness and generosity of spirit is humbling.

Thanks for all you do (and offer to do)

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#15 posted 06-29-2021 04:26 PM

I got my saw vise holder made so I can mount my vise on a board that is anchored in my leg vise and stabilized by hold fasts. Works great and I bought some of that red metal dye too. I freehanded a crosscut saw and it feels and cuts well. I may try my saw set next. Dykem was the ticket to keeping my file on target and skipping teeth.

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