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Madmark2

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06-23-2021 01:33 PM

Topic tags/keywords: danger hand tablesaw

Just got a Woodcraft email advert with one of the WORST examples of hand positioning I’ve ever seen:


If he follows thru without moving his fingers he’s going to lose them!

I’ve talked about proper hand positioning and this is not it!

Discuss any other example of unsafe adverts!

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!


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#1 posted 06-23-2021 01:58 PM

Don’t assume he is going to just push his hands through without moving them. That’s like saying if he drives on the freeway and doesn’t slow down for the car ahead of him he’s going to crash.

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#2 posted 06-23-2021 01:59 PM

That’s what the blade guard is for, wait….never mind.

Agreed, I would never want my product shown like that. The whole point of a feather board is to keep the work against the fence so you can use a push stick and not need your fingers to apply pressure near the blade.

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#3 posted 06-23-2021 02:05 PM

Maybe he never liked that finger

I really like (and use) the BOW products, I think maybe I should email them about this.

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#4 posted 06-23-2021 02:14 PM

Maybe the 2×4 is sacrificial and his main goal is to split his one ring finger into two ring fingers. Let the man live his dream

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#5 posted 06-23-2021 02:29 PM

At least he’s positioned well in case of kickback ;-p

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#6 posted 06-23-2021 02:40 PM

At first I thought maybe he was left handed.
Then I took a second look and see he is right handed.

It doesn’t look the best,
but I’m sure if you snapped a few pictures of me cutting things
you would find some of them that would make you think I was going to lose an arm.

The pinky finger is keeping his hand from sliding forward (yes, it’s a strong pinky)
As SMP said, I’m sure he was just about to reposition his hand after the picture was taken.

Otherwise we would be watching a High School Safety video.

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#7 posted 06-23-2021 03:01 PM

I was trained (note I said “trained”) to NEVER put anything on the cut line that you didn’t want cut OFF! You must act so that if you follow thru without moving it WILL lead to an accident. Never rely on “repositioning” to save you. Its MUCH better to be in a safe position for the entire cut.

This is ESPECIALLY true for those who do NOT keep their eyes on the cutter. Couple bad hand positioning with inattention to the cutter and you have a recipe for amputation.

I keep my thumb back behind the fingers so if the tip of my index finger (the early warning digit) clears the cutter then the thumb will too. I hook my pinky over the fence to prevent hand slippage.

When teaching TS101 @ Woodcraft I would use a straight edge to extend the side of the blade and mark the kerf line with red Sharpie to emphasize that anything crossing the kerf line WILL get cut and to never, ever put a body part across that line.

Crossing the kerf line with a body part is always wrong.

Ditto for watching the leading edge of the cutter. It is the only thing to see. Stock rising is felt, not seen. You can feel the stock putting pressure up before it actually moves so seeing the stock move is too late.

Just as I’m not comfortable with a barrel of a gun pointing in my direction I am uncomfortable with the thought of a digit on the kerf line.

You may disagree, but in 1/2 a century of operating a saw this way I still have all ten.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#8 posted 06-23-2021 03:06 PM

I already received a reply and they told me they agreed and will be removing or replacing the photo

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#9 posted 06-23-2021 03:15 PM

Ed:
Wayyy cool! TYVM for all the fingers saved!

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#10 posted 06-23-2021 03:16 PM

I keep my thumb back behind the fingers

- Madmark2

I don’t even know how you cut without using your thumbs.
(Must be pushing small stuff through.)
My thumb locks on the back of the wood to push and it keeps my hand from sliding.

Anybody else not use their thumbs? maybe it’s just me…

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#11 posted 06-23-2021 03:21 PM

If his left thumb is locked to the fence its better. Simulates a hold down. I do it frequently on thin stock.

What’s more critical is how he’s going to finish the cut – I don’t see a push stick!!!

And, he’s sawing construction lumber which is prone to binding.

Yeah, its a pretty icky pic.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#12 posted 06-23-2021 03:26 PM

I found an example of what NEVER to do on an advertisement for Incra products. Look at this guy!! Has his WHOLE arm right on the cut line!! And PERPENDICULAR to the blade!
INSANITY! If he keeps moving to the left he is first going to saw his arm clean off, and if he continues through the blade he is going to saw his whole body in half, much like the “Bodies” exhibit in Vegas. I guess he doesn’t want those parts. Warning: For those with a weak stomach don’t look at picture:

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#13 posted 06-23-2021 03:30 PM

Smartass!

You should note that the blade is fully down for safety!

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#14 posted 06-23-2021 03:32 PM

Yeah, what could go wrong I always know when to move my fingers. Wait a minute, the board is sticking, I’ll just give it some more feed pressure and power through this.

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#15 posted 06-23-2021 03:34 PM

But the blade isn’t moving.

Me thinks it’s a feather board advertisement and nothing else.

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