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06-09-2021 12:06 PM

Just curious what this is worth. Found it in my dad’s shop after he passed. Not sure how to post a pi


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#1 posted 06-09-2021 12:34 PM

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#2 posted 06-09-2021 02:33 PM

Depends on if it has ALL the parts and how long the rails are. If its just the fence itself, maybe $100 or so(about $200 new)

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#4 posted 06-09-2021 10:53 PM

That looks like a Home workshop version. I’ve got one with 70 inch rails. Can’t remember what I paid for it but was about half the price of the pro version back then. I replaced the fence with it that came on a Powermatic contractors type saw I bought back in the 90’s for our millwork shop. Still have the saw and the fence still works flawless on it.

Works just as good as the pro versions we have on our larger saws.

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#5 posted 06-09-2021 11:59 PM

Hey. Thank you. Don’t have a saw so probly get rid of it

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#6 posted 06-10-2021 03:53 AM

Back in 2017 I bought a used Biesemeyer Commercial fence complete with 52” rails for $160. Add $20 for all the hardware I had to buy new.

Yours is the home version. And I don’t have a price to put on it.
But just mention what I paid for mine as reference.
Angle iron and the proper tube is all you are missing. Not hard to get. But steel is pricey.
Like everything else these days.
Good luck.

-- John

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#7 posted 06-10-2021 08:45 AM

Angle iron, and square tube are all ya need to make it whole.

Price wise home version on resale should hold 80% of Commercial. Not functionally that much different.

BUT, it’s hard to get a Beis fence for less than about 250 bux. Most of the new will be attached to a 3K Delta TS. You can get Delta T2, T3, or Vegas, tough to get just a Beis fence right now, so if buyer wants Beis, then just below the price of competition is where I would price it. Or you could let the public decide at Flea Bay, but then you have to ship it.

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#8 posted 06-10-2021 01:16 PM



Angle iron, and square tube are all ya need to make it whole.

Price wise home version on resale should hold 80% of Commercial. Not functionally that much different.

BUT, it s hard to get a Beis fence for less than about 250 bux. Most of the new will be attached to a 3K Delta TS. You can get Delta T2, T3, or Vegas, tough to get just a Beis fence right now, so if buyer wants Beis, then just below the price of competition is where I would price it. Or you could let the public decide at Flea Bay, but then you have to ship it.

- therealSteveN

Home depot sells the Beismeyer fences and rails. $439 for 30” and $499 for 52”. They do not sell just the fence though.

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#9 posted 06-10-2021 07:47 PM

I bought the commercial Bieismeyer fence when it first hit the market. I think the price I paid was about $250 new. I still have it on my Jet cabinet saw and it is still as good as when it was new. I have replaced the plywood fence facings. I understand the newer Biesemeyers aren’t worth a crap. I guess I got lucky when I bought when I did.

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#10 posted 06-11-2021 07:47 AM

Welcome to LumberJocks!

I don’t see any rails?
Do you have fence head only?
That changes value.

Hard to make a direct value comparison between the original Beisemeyer ‘Home Shop System’ fence with current Delta Home Shop fence. The current Delta carp home shop fence uses a metric ~2” x 2” front rail. The original ‘Home Shop’ fence from Biesemeyer used same 2×3 front rail as commercial fence, but used lighter gauge steel; which made the fence less durable, but easier to hang on front of light weight contractor saw table.

If you don’t have front rail and mounting angle iron:
Suggest you measure the distance from the rail pad, to clamp pad inside the angle iron (underside fence). If it is 3”; then can use any standard 2×3 front rail, from either an old Biesemeyer commercial or home shop fence system. Can also DIY a front rail.

To buy new rails from Delta, would need the ‘commercial’ T2 fence version made today, as it has similar 2” x 3” front rail (actually 50mmx75mm, but the head will clamp) .

There are three condition aspects that impact fence value:

- Does it have plastic cursor?
The can be hard to find, and cost $20-30 to replace.

- What is condition of laminate covered fence sides?
Replacing laminate and/or MDF is time consuming, and small pieces of laminate can be hard to find cheap.

- What is condition of wear pads on angle iron underside?
They cost $8-9 each, and you need four if all are damaged or missing.

In my area, see orphaned commercial fence heads and/or rails selling used for $50-100. Complete fence typically selling for $225 or less. The home shop versions tend to sell for little less than commercial models.

The pictures show the fence to be in good shape, with no missing parts or major issues. Would expect fence head only to sell in $100-125 range to right person; but expect some of us to offer $50-75.
YMMV

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#11 posted 06-11-2021 01:47 PM

The original ‘Home Shop’ fence from Biesemeyer used same 2×3 front rail as commercial fence, but used lighter gauge steel; which made the fence less durable, but easier to hang on front of light weight contractor saw table.

Just a little correction – the commercial fence used a 2”X3” .083 gauge guide tube… the home shop version used a 1.5”X2.5” .083 gauge guide tube. Rails were also slightly smaller (but same gauge).

Cheers,
Brad

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#12 posted 06-11-2021 07:18 PM

Just a little correction – the commercial fence used a 2”X3” .083 gauge guide tube… the home shop version used a 1.5”X2.5” .083 gauge guide tube. Rails were also slightly smaller (but same gauge).
Thanks for addition.
You are correct that most (but not all) ‘Home Shop’ fences had a smaller 1.5×2.5 tube. The ‘Home Shop fence typicaly used thinner gauge angle iron mount to saw, 3/16” .vs. 1/4” on commercial fence.
IME few ‘Home Shop’ fence I have seen with 1.5×2.5 tube, also had a Delta/Biesemeyer label.
Difference could be a local thing?

Living a few miles from Mesa, Arizona where Biesemeyer started and produced fences, we see some interesting Biesemeyer stuff in used market. Have seen ‘Home Shop’ fence labeled heads that fit larger 2×3 tube, and not the 1.5×2.5 tube. This size difference with same label tripped me up first time.

FWIW – Biesemeyer made a lot of custom stuff. Massively long 12-14ft fence rails and boat anchor heavy 50” long fence heads for large commercial saws have shown up used at auctions. Thicker steel was used often too. But, the sticker is nearly same on everything, with no PN to guide the used buyer. :-(0)

So, Always measure your Biesemeyer parts!
YMMV

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#13 posted 06-11-2021 07:23 PM

That was taken directly from the Biesemeyer web site back around 2000 +/-, from their FAQ. Here is the full snippit:

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#14 posted 06-11-2021 07:27 PM

I would put it on CL for $100 OBO and be willing to take around $75 when they start haggling

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#15 posted 06-11-2021 07:56 PM

HuhWut, I am rebuilding an old Powermatic Tablesaw and have a rail and no fence. The rail is commercial, 2”x3” , If your fence fits a 3” rail I am interested. I’m in Wichita Falls Texas, and can travel reasonable distance.

-- Larry A. - I've made a small fortune with my woodworking. The trouble is, I started with a large fortune.

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