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Croikee

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05-20-2021 02:57 PM

I am getting a tablesaw for my birthday. New to woodworking, but also always have a mindset of buying the right tool the first time and using it until it dies. $600 on the low end, $1300 on the high end. I was looking at the Delta 36-725T2

but it has been out of stock for months. Reviews are positive, though, except for the two piece rail. It is now back in stock however.

So I was also looking at the Ridgid

And it is more expensive and reviews do not compare it favorably to the Delta.

Then I saw Home Depot (where I would like to get the unit due to zero percent card with them) carried a more expensive delta, with cast iron wings and a single piece rail…Delta 5100

Though it is quite a bit more expensive. So which would you go with? I appreciate value, which is not just the cheapest, it is “Can I justify this expense if it is more.” So how much better is a single rail system and cast iron wings?

Also open to any other saws out there, though most Grizzly’s I looked at do not have wheels, and I need this to be able to be moved out of the way in our garage.

Thanks!


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WhyMe

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#1 posted 05-20-2021 03:13 PM

I think the single piece rail makes it easier to setup but I have the two piece and it was fiddly to set up. Once setup I don’t have any complaints. Personally I wouldn’t pay the extra because the 36-725 works great for me. The 5100 also has a larger amp motor. There many posts on LJ if you do a search.

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#2 posted 05-20-2021 03:16 PM

Take the Rigid off your list. I’m not a fan of Dewalt but used an older model of this and liked it

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-15-Amp-Corded-10-in-Job-Site-Table-Saw-with-Rolling-Stand-DWE7491RS/204512007

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#3 posted 05-20-2021 03:26 PM

Give Grizzley’s G0771Z a good look. It fits in your budget, riving knife, good fence, plenty of power, cast iron wings, cabinet is built with dust collection in mind, and the saw will keep up with you as your skills grow. Add mobile base and you are there. One and done for many years.

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#4 posted 05-20-2021 03:29 PM


Take the Rigid off your list. I m not a fan of Dewalt but used an older model of this and liked it

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-15-Amp-Corded-10-in-Job-Site-Table-Saw-with-Rolling-Stand-DWE7491RS/204512007

- 1thumb

On second thought, I’d go with the heavier models on a mobile base. I hauled table saws around to jobsite to jobsite so I needed something like the dewalt. But just to be able to roll it, go /havir ones

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Croikee

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#5 posted 05-20-2021 03:33 PM

Looking into the Grizzly. What are the thoughts on the increase price of the two Deltas, is the single rail and cast iron wings worth it long-term?

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#6 posted 05-20-2021 03:33 PM

I have almost all grizzly tools and am happy with them. all very little problems. my band saw is over 20 years old an =d never had to do any thing to it. Very good service department if needed. very easy to work with them.
Chuck

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#7 posted 05-20-2021 03:44 PM

I looked on line at both the 36-725t2 and the 36-5100t2, and they looked the same. It may be that Lowes add is showing the wrong machine as the 36-725t2, don’t know. The adds I saw offered the 5100 at $1300-1400, Lowes 725 was $610. That’s a lot of difference.

If you’re really considering spending $1300 plus, I’d suggest you consider the Grizzly G1023 rl at $1570 plus shipping, or the Harvey Alpha at $1550 plus shipping. Now mobility and available power might be a consideration, but these are real cabinet saws, and the Deltas seem to be something else.

If it was me, I’d look for an old Delta Unisaw. The downside there is that you might have to do some work putting the saw back into top working condition, and the old saws lack some of the modern features. In fact I bought a 1951 Unisaw last year, refurbished it, and have the best table saw I’ve ever used. Don’t think I have more than about $600 in it. I got a good deal, but I see them offered on e-bay often in the $700 to $1000 range, pretty much ready to go. A lot to think about. Hope this helps. Jim

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#8 posted 05-20-2021 03:59 PM

More cast iron generally means more weight which is a good thing because it usually means a smoother cut.

There is so much information already about all of these saws on here, that if you do a search and read all of the posts, your head will spin for a week.

Personally, I would not spend $1300 on a contractor style saw. I would suggest looking at all of the cabinet style saws that are in your budget (Grizzly, Harvey, Laguna to name a few). Also, don’t overlook a used cabinet saw from Craigslist or Facebook. Do some research though and know what to look for.

I just picked up a Delta Unisaw that was manufactured in 1993 (Made in USA), with a 50” Vega fence, mobile base, and Delta dust collector for $1250. It might not be as pretty as some of the newer saws, but it is built like a tank and will outlast me. I don’t need the dust collector so I am going to sell it and my old Delta contractor saw so by the time everything is all said and done, the upgrade will cost me around $800 – 900.

Also be advised that you will need 240v power for most saws with a 3+ hp motor. If you don’t have that, look into what it would cost to get it. The NEC now requires all 240v outlets in shops/garages to be GFCI protected which means instead of a $10-20 circuit breaker you need a $100 breaker and they are not that easy to find.

My final advice is everyone on here has their own experience and their own opinion. Yours might differ so take everything with a grain of salt. Do your due diligence and make the best choice based on your needs/situation.

-- MikeJ

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#9 posted 05-20-2021 04:18 PM

I got a Ridgid TS3650 about 14 years ago and am quite happy with it. It however came with a 27”x44” three piece cast iron top. This is a very good thing. I don’t see that on either the Ridgid or Delta you were considering. Definitely worth it in the long run. I have looked at upgrading to a Grizz or other brand also but my Ridgid hasn’t let me down yet.
However you go, as you state, you are “new to woodworking”, you MUST get proper training on this new addition to your garage. It is a potentially deadly weapon you’re introducing into your life and it does not respect you. That said, we’re going to hear from the SawStop guys out there but even so you MUST get properly trained on tablesaw operation and safety.
Watch the old shop videos. Check out Stumpynubs vids on things that can happen in a shop. Get a mentor. Get trained! There’s a lot more to it than just keeping your fingers away from the blade.
Back in H.S. I had a shop teacher who wouldn’t let anybody use ANY machine until they got 100% on the safety test on EVERY machine. We had zero injuries.
Anyways, good luck, Happy Birthday, stay safe and make some sawdust.

-- That's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.

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#10 posted 05-20-2021 04:40 PM



However you go, as you state, you are “new to woodworking”, you MUST get proper training on this new addition to your garage. It is a potentially deadly weapon you re introducing into your life and it does not respect you. That said, we re going to hear from the SawStop guys out there but even so you MUST get properly trained on tablesaw operation and safety.
Watch the old shop videos. Check out Stumpynubs vids on things that can happen in a shop. Get a mentor. Get trained! There s a lot more to it than just keeping your fingers away from the blade.
Back in H.S. I had a shop teacher who wouldn t let anybody use ANY machine until they got 100% on the safety test on EVERY machine. We had zero injuries.
Anyways, good luck, Happy Birthday, stay safe and make some sawdust.

- Novamr99

I agree with this 100%.

And be very selective on who you watch on YouTube. A lot of hacks on there who pretend to know what they are talking about (not that I do).

-- MikeJ

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#11 posted 05-20-2021 05:44 PM

I got Saw Stop because I could afford it and it was also a saw upgrade in quality for me. I couldn’t get a cabinet (real) saw because I need to roll it out for long rips. I think saw stop may be above your price range for a cabinet saw. I have been hearing good things about Harvey lately. I also hear that you may need to be patient on delivery.

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Croikee

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#12 posted 05-20-2021 06:00 PM



I got Saw Stop because I could afford it and it was also a saw upgrade in quality for me. I couldn t get a cabinet (real) saw because I need to roll it out for long rips. I think saw stop may be above your price range for a cabinet saw. I have been hearing good things about Harvey lately. I also hear that you may need to be patient on delivery.

- controlfreak

Inventory on all saws really seems to be limited these days for sure.

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Croikee

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#13 posted 05-20-2021 06:01 PM

Based upon feedback, I think spending wisely for the Grizzly seems the most logical, while adding the mobile base. That being said, thoughts on this saw?
Shop Fox

It is basically the same price as the grizzly, with a mobile base. Not nearly the same positive reviews though.

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Croikee

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#14 posted 05-20-2021 06:11 PM

And another saw just entered the running:
Laguna F1

Will sit at just about $1100 with the optional wheel base

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#15 posted 05-20-2021 06:54 PM

Your going to get a lot of varying opinions but for that sort of money I agree with MikeJ70. I would search out a used Unisaw. The design remained nearly identical from… 1938(?) to the 80’s of maybe even 90’s. It would be very hard to beat the ‘bang for the buck’ of a used Unisaw. I have a 1946 model that still works perfectly. Just have to lube the lift and tilt shaft every year or two

-- Jeff Horton * Kudzu Craft skin boats* www.kudzucraft.com

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