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Forum topic by Alias1431 posted 05-17-2021 01:01 PM 925 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Alias1431

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05-17-2021 01:01 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question porter cable router lift router table

I need a router just like the Porter Cable 7518 without the bad reviews I keep reading. I can’t fix small motors, don’t even know what a bushing is. Should I get a 7518 or should I ignore all the people who say it’s not what it used to be? I need something with all the 7518’s power and features for my router table. I can’t find a RECENT review from a trustworthy source like Fine Woodworking or Consumer Reports. I see lots of reviews from crap sites like bobvila.com and I see a lot of users’ anecdotes from reliable sites like this one. Where can I find a real, recent review and not individual users saying they’ve had a good or bad experience with theirs? That’s is not what I’m looking for. Or were the recent problems with the 7518 resolved in the last year or so? Or is there a recent, reliable review with a list of good alternatives to the 7518? Help me Obi Wan Kenobi.


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CaptainKlutz

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#1 posted 05-17-2021 01:43 PM

Good Luck?

September 2020 Porter Cable retail outlets were told that router product line was being discontinued.

There was a thread on LJ and other sites discussing the topic. Have not seen any formal message posted by Stanley Black & Decker who owns PC?

There were clearance sales at all big box stores last fall. Be surprised if you could find a PC 7518 at all right now?

If you want a router motor for router table lift, Milwaukee 5625-20 (3.5HP) & Bora Portamate PM-P254 (3-1/4HP) are the common non-PC options. MLCS sells a clone of Portamate, and offers a remote speed control cable for router table use. The only other big 3HP+ routers are fixed in plunge bases.

Cheers!

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Woodmaster1

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#2 posted 05-17-2021 02:42 PM

I have 3 Bosch and 2 porter cable and a triton router. 2 Bosch and 1 pc690 were $5 each couldn’t pass up the deal. There is nothing I have done that the Bosch 1617 couldn’t handle. The 20 raised panels I made in oak the router had no issues handling the job. The pc690 had no issues either but you can’t find the new.

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tvrgeek

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#3 posted 05-17-2021 03:10 PM

I have a Tridon, Ridgid, Makita, and Craftsman. They all go round and round.

PC only makes low end race to the bottom price tools now. Think Roybi.

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Madmark2

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#4 posted 05-17-2021 03:22 PM

Milwaukee makes beast routers. I have their 5625 EVS 3-1/2 hp unit table mounted and its a real workhorse.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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Fred Hargis

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#5 posted 05-17-2021 03:22 PM

Consider the Milwaukee 5625, which I always ranked a little higher then the 7518 anyway. Be aware, my advice is based on one of the NA made units (mine was made in Mexico, I think) versus the Chinese ones they sell now. My 7518 (when I had it) was USA made, but as pointed out above they’ve are (apparently) slated the budget axe, or they already have been slashed out of production..

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sansoo22

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#6 posted 05-17-2021 03:31 PM

Put me in the Milwaukee club. I have two of the Milwaukee 5616-20s mounted in my router table and can’t complain so far. Plan on upgrading the bottom mounted router to the 5625-20 3-1/2 hp unit this summer.

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Tony_S

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#7 posted 05-17-2021 11:05 PM

I see lots of reviews from crap sites like bobvila.com and I see a lot of users anecdotes from reliable sites like this one. Where can I find a real, recent review and not individual users saying they ve had a good or bad experience with theirs? That s is not what I m looking for.

- Alias1431

No idea why you would trust a ‘real’ review(whatever that is) over woodworkers who’ve had many years of hands on experience?
I buy and use lots of tools for a commercial woodworking shop. If I’m interested in something new…something different…I ask the people/tradesman who use them everyday. Not consumer report.
Here’s an anecdote for you anyways…
I’ve been using Porter Cable routers for 30 years. I have about 20 (give or take) 7518’s. About 15 real Porter Cables and about 5 peices of crap with the Porter Cable logo on them.
Porter Cable routers used to be #1 on the market and for good reason. They were built like tanks. Then Black & Dicker bought Porter Cable. Now? They’re junk.

Or were the recent problems with the 7518 resolved in the last year or so?

- Alias1431

Solved in a roundabout sort of way, yes. They stopped making routers….and parts.

-- “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” – Plato

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#8 posted 05-18-2021 12:26 AM

The Milwaukee is much more user friendly than the 7518. More or less the same price.

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bruc101

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#9 posted 05-18-2021 01:19 AM

i think PC discontinued the 7518 because they could no longer get the motors for it, or is their excuse.

Last year I bought just the motor to use in my router table with a router lift from Woodcraft. I just checked and it’s out of stock but with some limited availability in a few stores.

I bought these 3 routers back in the 90’s and they’re still going strong with daily use. (American made) I do need to find a new D handle base because I’ve about used up this one routing commercial signs.

-- Bruce Free Plans https://traditionalwoodworking.org

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Alias1431

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#10 posted 05-18-2021 09:52 PM

I think I’m going with the Milwaukee 5625. I see the 5625 20 on their website. MadMark2 (or anybody who knows) – What is a 5625 EVS? Is it possible to buy a 5625 with just the parts needed if it’s always going to be mounted to a table? I’d like to save a few bucks if I can?

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Madmark2

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#11 posted 05-18-2021 10:59 PM

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The Milwaukee also has soft start so that monster doesn’t torque out of your hands when you kick that 3-1/2 hp on.

Incra makes a router plate for it. The PC 1-3/8” bushing plate is also available.


Incra router plate, ring and table share the Incra TS-LS rip fence.

You want the plunge base model. You need the base to mount to the table. I stripped the handles and plunge stop etc. off. Be sure to tape the handle mount holes closed to prevent dust infiltration. Look at the base under the plate in the background & you can see the metal tape over the handle holes.


Note metal tape on base.

The base unit does NOT come with a 1/4” collet (one is avail for extra $$$) or you can order a $10 1/2”-1/4” collet adapter.

I use mine on most projects. I’ve probably spent more on bits than the router, plate and saw wing table together.


$$$ in bits!

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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Fred Hargis

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#12 posted 05-19-2021 10:32 AM

Mark, did you have a senior moment? As far as I know there isn’t a plunge base for the 5625.

All of them I’ve seen have EVS, and I mounted mine in a lift then sold the fixed base to recoup some of the cost. Mine did come with a 1/4” collet, though I see they stopped including it so if you buy one it will pay to also buy an extra collet nut. If you want some of the uncommon collet sizes (3/8”, or the metric sizes) you can get them from Elaire corp. I have several, and they are very high quality and probably cheaper than OEM.

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bigblockyeti

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#13 posted 05-19-2021 12:08 PM

I have a PC 7539 and a Milwaukee 5625, both are quite powerful but the 3+ horsepower claims are laughable given that much power at 100% efficiency isn’t available from 120V and 15A, more marketing BS. The Milwaukee can raised and lower in its own base with a nut driver like a crude router lift, not perfect but useable. The big Milwaukee uses the same collets as the smaller 1 3/4hp and 2 1/4hp modern units (which I also have) so switching them around can be convenient if you have them.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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Alias1431

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#14 posted 05-19-2021 12:52 PM

I just want to be clear on this – no money to spare. I can buy a Milwaukee 5625 from anywhere just based on price? There’s no options I need to look for? No special model number or anything? No way to buy one without the things I don’t need if it’ll be permanently mounted?

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Fred Hargis

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#15 posted 05-19-2021 01:24 PM

Unless you find something on Ebay or CL, no. The come (AFAIK) with a fixed base and the 1/2” collet. You can use the fixed base in your table, or pull the motor and buy a lift. Like Yeti said, the fixed base is usable but not perfect.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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