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city17

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05-14-2021 03:20 PM

Topic tags/keywords: festool track saw cnc shaper origin technology circular saw plunge saw

Came across this interesting video on some new Festool patents. Apparently Festool is working on a circular saw that can work without a track. The parent company of Festool took over Shaper Origin not too long ago, and they’re looking to use that technology and applying it to their track saws. This means the saw can maintain a precise straight line on its own, even if you move the body a bit.

Wondering how far off an actual working model they are, seems like it will be a lot more difficult to make than the Shaper router.

Link to youtube video
Link to short write up with patent images.

(Not sure how to embed a video, so just linked it)


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controlfreak

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#1 posted 05-14-2021 03:29 PM

Not sure placing domino strips for the trackless saw to find its way is going to be a time saver.

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city17

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#2 posted 05-14-2021 03:52 PM



Not sure placing domino strips for the trackless saw to find its way is going to be a time saver.

- controlfreak


Agreed, that’s probably one of the reasons why it’s still only a patent I guess. Still an interesting concept if they can make it work in practice.

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SMP

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#3 posted 05-14-2021 04:56 PM



Not sure placing domino strips for the trackless saw to find its way is going to be a time saver.

- controlfreak

I think the only way to make this usable in real life is to have like some laser projector(as example) that can just quickly project whatever into the wood and the tool localizes itself based on the projected patterns. Kind of like those laser keyboards. Otherwise, its just going to take longer than doing a straightedge and circular saw.

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#4 posted 05-14-2021 05:04 PM

They better put some more features in it than just the ability to cut straight—if they try to sell it for a similar cost compared to the Shaper Origin, then I would expect to get more functionality then just ripping long sheets endlessly without a track. I mean, that’s a great functionality, but that alone won’t make me buy it (and I own a Shaper Origin).

Now, if they were to add something like digital angle selection in degrees-minutes-seconds or fractional-degrees with an accuracy of 1/10th of 1-degree, at the same time as offering the ability to cut straight without a guide, I’d be sold. I’d pay Origin level prices for that.

Would also want variable speed and multiple arbor capability to maximize the number of blades and blade-types I can use, so I can extract the most value out of it in cutting multiple materials like softwood, hardwood, plywood, and plexiglass. God forbid maybe metal or stone if it was super fancy and someone else tried it first.

-- Devin, SF, CA

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#5 posted 05-14-2021 05:19 PM

Oh, what if it could do programmable starts/stops. That might be an interesting thing. With software controlling the system, who knows what could be possible. When the Shaper Origin software was updated to introduce a “helix” feature which allows you to gradually bore large holes in a helical pattern using the router, it allowed me to get super clean holes of any diameter between 1/64” and 3” (to 0.0005” precision) to any depth between 0” and 1.5” (to 0.001” precision) in nearly any material, obviating the need for a drill press except for those instances outside of those narrow specifications. I’d have to own an incredible amount of drill bits to get even close to the variability and precision offered by the helix option on Shaper Origin (and still wouldn’t be able to match it). For example, I can take calipers and measure a threaded insert’s OD, subtract 0.02”, and helix the hole for the insert which fits perfectly without tear-out when driving the insert.

I wonder what kinds of things you could do with a saw that was controlled by software, other than drive it in a straight line. Perhaps you could have it auto-plunge on advancement and auto-retract at a programmed stop point. Or perhaps do a controlled plunge using a programmed rate in inches-per-minute for working with hard materials like cutting granite.

-- Devin, SF, CA

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#6 posted 05-14-2021 11:24 PM

WHo is gonna need/ use this kind of capability on a job site ?

How is it going to produce a return on the capital expended on it ?

Like many German engineering projects – it’s a solution looking for a problem.

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#7 posted 05-14-2021 11:37 PM



WHo is gonna need/ use this kind of capability on a job site ?

How is it going to produce a return on the capital expended on it ?

Like many German engineering projects – it s a solution looking for a problem.

- xedos

Some people just like to buy stuff.

I would buy a cnc before I do shaper origin and/or saw origin.

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xedos

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#8 posted 05-15-2021 09:18 PM

WHo is gonna need/ use this kind of capability on a job site ?

How is it going to produce a return on the capital expended on it ?

Like many German engineering projects – it s a solution looking for a problem.

- xedos

Some people just like to buy stuff.

I would buy a cnc before I do shaper origin and/or saw origin.

- CWWoodworking

Of course they do.

But do you really think the “collectors” are going to buy this in numbers that support the spend to develop it ?

this has been available for over a decade, and is not a top a seller:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8npDkfKCo

It’s arguably more useful and productive than an articulating blade saw that cuts straight.

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ArmyOfNobunaga

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#9 posted 05-15-2021 09:19 PM

That’s pretty cool

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#10 posted 05-16-2021 12:15 AM


WHo is gonna need/ use this kind of capability on a job site ?

How is it going to produce a return on the capital expended on it ?

Like many German engineering projects – it s a solution looking for a problem.

- xedos

Some people just like to buy stuff.

I would buy a cnc before I do shaper origin and/or saw origin.

- CWWoodworking

Of course they do.

But do you really think the “collectors” are going to buy this in numbers that support the spend to develop it ?

this has been available for over a decade, and is not a top a seller:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8npDkfKCo

It s arguably more useful and productive than an articulating blade saw that cuts straight.

- xedos

Who the heck knows. Look at all the gadgets for table saws. Half aren’t needed or are junk. But they still sell.

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xedos

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#11 posted 05-16-2021 02:13 AM


who the heck knows. Look at all the gadgets for table saws. Half aren’t needed or are junk. But they still sell.

- CWWoodworking

Not the same thing.

How much did any of those gadgets cost to develop ? Many / most are just rehashes or improvements of something that already existed. How much do they sell for ?

Now, how much do you think the R&D is costing on the “origin” saw ? How much will it cost in the marketplace ? A LOT more than some tablesaw gadget that is most often purchased on a whim. Few people will purchase a $1000, $2000, $5000 tool on a whim. Not even festool collectors.

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CWWoodworking

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#12 posted 05-16-2021 03:01 AM

Xedos, man I just don’t care.

Is or isn’t going to sell? I dunno. Don’t really care. Bet someone would buy it though.

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#13 posted 05-16-2021 03:15 AM

It might rely on proprietary consumable masking tape. I can see Festool liking that business model.

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#14 posted 05-16-2021 01:29 PM



Xedos, man I just don’t care.

Is or isn’t going to sell? I dunno. Don’t really care. Bet someone would buy it though.

- CWWoodworking

I don’t care either….not even a little. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that I don’t care more than you don’t care :)

-- “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” – Plato

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xeddog

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#15 posted 05-16-2021 04:15 PM

I think I’ll wait for the saw that you can just tell it “Cut on that line and it had better be done when i get back”.

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