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DucKnuckles

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04-22-2021 03:23 PM

Topic tags/keywords: advice question

Someone talked me into buying this for $100. I wish it wasn’t such a spontaneous offer. The system seems to have its downfalls, mostly the fact that it’s really difficult to find replacement parts. It’s a wet wheel slow grinder. The 8” 1000 grit wheel is $80 to replace. The 5×2 120 grit wheel I can’t find anywhere. Is this even worth dumping money into? Or should I simply cut my losses now and purchase something else? Maybe even make a sander wheel to attach since I don’t have one of those?

Just hate to dump money into what seems to be a second rate machine with reviews I’ve seen online. Thoughts?

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”


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Phil32

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#1 posted 04-22-2021 04:38 PM

Your focus seems to be entirely monetary – “dump money,” etc, Consider function. Is this machine useful for what you do? If not, will it be useful in the future? Can it be made useful for what you do?
I notice you have no completed projects after 208 posts. What do you do?

-- Phil Allin - There are woodworkers and people who collect woodworking tools. The woodworkers have a chair to sit on that they made.

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Loren

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#2 posted 04-22-2021 04:46 PM

So the wheels are worn out or do they just need dressing or flattening?

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DucKnuckles

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#3 posted 04-22-2021 05:14 PM

The 8” wheel is toast. I need a new one. The other I’m not quite sure. I’ll send pics of it when I get home.

To answer your question (man Im gonna get bashed lol) I am new to this woodworking. I got on a major kick looking into all this as a hobby and decided I was inspired. I first joined asking about tools to start. I made plans to acquire what I wanted before I bought a house. Life has its ways and buying a house was no longer pursued . I own a mobile home and 1.25 acres paid for… So I decided to build a 400 sq ft shop last august with zero knowledge of construction. Everyone here helped guide me into what was right and wrong and up to code. I now have my shop that I have done everything myself from watching YouTube, joining forums, and talking to whomever. Built the concrete form, framed walls, designed trusses. All the electrical from top to bottom. The only thing I didn’t do was pour the concrete. I have refurbished most of my equipment and replaced bearings, belts, etc. I currently only need to finish some internal insulation and panels. I passed my electrical inspection after two months of grinding out how to do that. I have acquired what I researched to be higher end quality tools and have covered every area to the best of my knowledge.

Pm2000 table saw
Jess em master II lift with rockler pro max cast iron table and bench dog
6” rigid jointer
17” Grizzley bandsaw (love the bear)
Nova 1624-44 lathe
Tempest Cyclone 2 hp dust collection system (not looking forward to pricing that together)
Delta 22-560 Planer I restored
Delta shop master drill press.
All the router bits I felt essential for discovery by Freud and Armana

Odds and ends

Just got my Freud glue rip blade
Etc etc etc…

The shop is actually coming together. And you can bet, I will be completing projects. This is going to sound stupid. But I have actually done woodworking yet LOL. But by gosh I can say I’m committed. As your signature states, I am the man who collects woodworking tools, under the house of sticks I built with a dream of having a chair to sit on that come from my hands.

I do have a set of diamond stones I’m using to for my hand planes. I have this Delta grinder that truly would be for my lathe chisels. I kinda think getting wolverine honing system for a grinder is a better way to go to keep my chisels as they need to be. I also considered making a sanding wheel to attach to it since I don’t have a sanding station for shaping. Took a break from the build and turned my lathe on for the first time yesterday. My son and I LOVE IT. So naturally my attention goes to keeping the chisels sharp. Just don’t know much about what I need to focus on. Buying correct parts for this thing is a challenge to a degree.

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”

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CaptainKlutz

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#4 posted 04-22-2021 06:21 PM

FWIW – Ereplacement parts shows the grinder wheel is actually a cup wheel.

This style is used on tool room grinders. Fleabay has some Norton silicon carbide 5×2x5/8, but don’t see white ones in latest retail catalog. Norton makes all kinds of stuff custom, that is not listed in catalogs.
Dewalt sells a 5×2 cup wheel for grinding concrete with hand held grinder. :)

Suggest you visit your local abrasives or machine tooling DISTRIBUTOR. Here in AZ; Fastenal, Erie Abrasives (div of Motion Industries) or Western Tool & Supply; would be my places to check.

Best Luck.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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Wood_Scraps

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#5 posted 04-22-2021 08:49 PM



Your focus seems to be entirely monetary – “dump money,” etc, Consider function. Is this machine useful for what you do? If not, will it be useful in the future? Can it be made useful for what you do?
I notice you have no completed projects after 208 posts. What do you do?

- Phil32

So your barometer for judging whether someone is capable/productive is based on what projects they post on a mildly active forum?

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DucKnuckles

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#6 posted 04-22-2021 09:36 PM

Your focus seems to be entirely monetary – “dump money,” etc, Consider function. Is this machine useful for what you do? If not, will it be useful in the future? Can it be made useful for what you do?
I notice you have no completed projects after 208 posts. What do you do?

- Phil32

So your barometer for judging whether someone is capable/productive is based on what projects they post on a mildly active forum?

- Wood_Scraps

Well… to be fair I haven’t done anything special in regards to woodworking. Nothing I consider a project. Aside from the building I just finished my kids playground

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”

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DucKnuckles

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#7 posted 04-23-2021 11:42 AM



So the wheels are worn out or do they just need dressing or flattening?

- Loren

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”

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DucKnuckles

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#8 posted 04-23-2021 11:46 AM

And let me say the point that I’m getting at is I can buy this for $130 which is cheaper than the replacement wheels

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”

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#9 posted 04-23-2021 05:47 PM

I’d try a dressing stick before I sunk money into a new wheel. You’d need the stick anyway sooner or later.

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CaptainKlutz

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#10 posted 04-23-2021 07:04 PM

+1 Dress the 5×2 stone. Still some life in that one.

Stopped by a local WW supply shop this morning. They had one of those 8” 1000g wheels on parts clearance rack for $40. Strange beast. It was 1” thick wet stone bonded to stamp steel cup as backing plate?
They didn’t have any 5×2, even asked because I remembered this thread.

Cheers.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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DucKnuckles

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#11 posted 04-23-2021 07:29 PM

If I was to take off the wheel guards on the 5×2 and put a base to life up the grinder… could I use a 8” CBN wheel?

Or is that just stupid and I should go back to my hole?

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”

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CaptainKlutz

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#12 posted 04-23-2021 10:44 PM

If I was to take off the wheel guards on the 5×2 and put a base to life up the grinder… could I use a 8” CBN wheel? – DucKnuckles
IMHO – Doubtful?

That grinder only has 1/5HP. IMHO – Need 1/2HP minimum to rotate heavy 8” CBN wheel.

A 1/4HP grinder handles a regular 6” ceramic grinding wheel. So might be able to spin a 6” CBN wheel with 1/5HP?
Just like an excessive load while grinding, to heavy of wheel could overheat the motor. Will spare you the science discussion on induction motor slip angle, and power usage. :)

Can buy a cheap white ceramic 6” grinding wheel from HF for $7. Might try that using that for awhile before I spend a lot more on CBN wheel?

Note that dry grinding generates metal dust, and guards help to contain it. With larger wheel you still might want to some kind of shield. Have a pedestal grinder without guards I use on steel, and it leaves giant mess on floor and on wall behind it. :(

Cheers!

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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DucKnuckles

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#13 posted 04-26-2021 07:01 PM

After looking into this everywhere I could… I’m almost tempted to to buy the whole kodiak sharpening system with cbn wheels and a rikon 1/2 BP slow speed grinder from Wodturners Wonders. Everything would run roughly $915, but I would never need anything else. At that point is it possible to make this Delta a disc sander? lol

-- “If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I’d spend 6 sharpening my ax.”

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trsnider

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#14 posted 04-27-2021 01:31 PM

I have one of these, bought 20+ yrs years and I’ve used it less than 5 times. I’ve tried to get rid of it but can’t. Takes up space in a cabinet now. My least used tool and was a waste of money. I’d like to remember why I think I need this thing.

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xedos

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#15 posted 04-27-2021 02:23 PM

$80 doesnt seem too bad. Go price a Tormek wheel and you’ll feel much better.

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