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DougC

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04-12-2021 12:45 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

After selling our home and having to leave my 7 year old 3hp 52” Unisaw as part of the deal, I find myself in the market to replace the saw. I loved my Unisaw and am leaning towards buying another one but based on what I have been reading, I now have concerns about parts and service. I am looking for your thoughts on which saw would you recommend between the Unisaw and the PM 2000 (or are there better options)? I have considered Sawstop, but comparing specs I believe I would have to move to the Industrial version to match the Unisaw and PM.


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#1 posted 04-12-2021 10:27 AM

I agree with your assessment about the SS. The typical comparison is between the “professional” SS versus the PM 2000, but it seems to me like the better matchup is the SS ICS versus the 2000. Anyway, my opinion is that given the way things have went with the Delta brand, I’d probably go with the PM. They are likely a close toss up in most ways…except for the churn in ownership. PM wins in that category. But that’s just the way I see it.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#2 posted 04-12-2021 10:41 AM

PCS is an excellent saw. You can pretty much lump most 3 HP saws into the same class. I have yet to meet any one who does not love theirs.
I too was scared away from Delta for their total lack of support and quality issues even though I liked the design.
Wanted a PM since High school, but I could not really see what made it any better than the Harvey I wound up with. Maybe finish on the top is smoother. So it really came down to PCS or C-300 for me. If you have the power, the bigger Harvey Alpha is pretty nice too.

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#3 posted 04-12-2021 01:47 PM

I have a 10year old delta unisaw and found no need for parts. You can get parts that are specific to the Unisaw but common parts that you can get at the hardware are considered obsolete. I have used jet, powermatic (60yr old) Sawstop and I will take my 5hp Unisaw over all of them. I have used 2 different Sawstop Tablesaws and had trunion issues with both. One at my club shop has been repaired three times in a year. The one I had at the school where I taught repaired once. The jet at school was just not powerful enough for that setting. The two powermatics were 60+ year old tanks but their age became a problem getting parts.

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#4 posted 04-12-2021 05:24 PM

I went with a 5hp ICS recently. PM2000 been there and not impressed. My 1st choice was the 5hp 12” Grizzly BEAST G0696X but they are out of stock and not expected to be available for another 10 months. I looked at an ICS in person, spent half an hour poking around it, I’m good with it.

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#5 posted 04-12-2021 08:54 PM

PCS or ICS? I have heard issues with the ICS. Not the PCS.

Here is the 4 HP Alpha. https://www.harveywoodworking.com/products/alpha-hw110s-36-52-10-4hp-dovetail-cabinet-table-saw

So far, where I had power issues with my 1 3/4 HP contractor saw, the 3 HP 10 inch has laughed at everything I have tossed at it. Now, if I had the power, I would not scarf at a 12 inch 5 HP.

Do not confuse the Delta of old with the company who bought the name. Change Type Industrial. Old great company, great tools. New company. No support, horrific quality reports. ( So much for US quality manufacturing) Of course Powermatic is not quite what it was. Chinese now, most I think made buy Harvey, but things shift around. Those who don’t have issues with their Griz, seem to love it. ( I think my C-300 is the same as one they used to sell. Bad stories are only for serious defects like a warped table. Something that would really cost them. My beef with Griz is how many reports of no support or parts for one year old or even current production. Really? Can’t supply a part that is for sale now?

The Laguna F3 is a little lighter, but one of the reviews said “almost as smooth as an old Powermatic” . I dismissed it due to the very short distance rom the front of the table to the blade.

Don’t forget Baleigh and Palmgren.


I have a 10year old delta unisaw and found no need for parts. You can get parts that are specific to the Unisaw but common parts that you can get at the hardware are considered obsolete. I have used jet, powermatic (60yr old) Sawstop and I will take my 5hp Unisaw over all of them. I have used 2 different Sawstop Tablesaws and had trunion issues with both. One at my club shop has been repaired three times in a year. The one I had at the school where I taught repaired once. The jet at school was just not powerful enough for that setting. The two powermatics were 60+ year old tanks but their age became a problem getting parts.

- Woodmaster1


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#6 posted 04-13-2021 02:14 PM


I have a 10year old delta unisaw and found no need for parts. You can get parts that are specific to the Unisaw but common parts that you can get at the hardware are considered obsolete. I have used jet, powermatic (60yr old) Sawstop and I will take my 5hp Unisaw over all of them. I have used 2 different Sawstop Tablesaws and had trunion issues with both. One at my club shop has been repaired three times in a year. The one I had at the school where I taught repaired once. The jet at school was just not powerful enough for that setting. The two powermatics were 60+ year old tanks but their age became a problem getting parts.

- Woodmaster1

Wait a minute. I used a sawstop for 6-7 years. No issues with trunnion. This wasn’t used in a woodworking club.

Would I pick my personal Unisaw over a Sawstop , no…

I bought a new unisaw In 2000…guess what the SS replaced..

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#7 posted 04-13-2021 03:11 PM


Wait a minute. I used a sawstop for 6-7 years. No issues with trunnion. This wasn t used in a woodworking club.

Would I pick my personal Unisaw over a Sawstop , no…

I bought a new unisaw In 2000…guess what the SS replaced..

- JackDuren


Is this your shop, or the shop you worked at?

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#8 posted 04-13-2021 03:38 PM

One thing to consider it an old Unisaw. Not sure what year they changed the design but the original design has been around for many, many years and there is no shortage of used parts. Just have to know where to look. I have a 1946 and about the only thing that would be hard to find is the Goose Egg motor cover.

-- Jeff Horton * Kudzu Craft skin boats* www.kudzucraft.com

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JackDuren

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#9 posted 04-13-2021 03:54 PM


Wait a minute. I used a sawstop for 6-7 years. No issues with trunnion. This wasn t used in a woodworking club.

Would I pick my personal Unisaw over a Sawstop , no…

I bought a new unisaw In 2000…guess what the SS replaced..

- JackDuren

Is this your shop, or the shop you worked at?

- LeeRoyMan

That’s the furniture company I worked for. I setup and ran the furniture department . At home shop I have a unisaw..

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JackDuren

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#10 posted 04-13-2021 03:58 PM

I had a sawstop and an Altendorf in my area..

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LeeRoyMan

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#11 posted 04-13-2021 03:59 PM

Thanks Jack, I was confused.

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JackDuren

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#12 posted 04-13-2021 04:01 PM


Thanks Jack, I was confused.

- LeeRoyMan

Just don’t hold the green laminate against me, I changed it to gray…lol

I’m still intouch with many out from that furniture plant. It went down with Covid. If ot doesn’t recover and they auction, it will be a great auction. Several Powermatc, Unisaw and Sawstop saws. 14” and larger bandsaws. Storage is loaded in shapers including full set Weavers…there is a lot of high end tooling there…jointers and several brand new power feeds they have never installed..

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LeeRoyMan

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#13 posted 04-13-2021 04:04 PM


Thanks Jack, I was confused.

- LeeRoyMan

Just don t hold the green laminate against me, I changed it to gray…lol

- JackDuren


No worries, I’m more about function than beauty. Besides if you don’t use scrap for that kind of stuff you’re just throwing away money, because I doubt you get the chance to use that color again.

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JackDuren

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#14 posted 04-13-2021 04:11 PM

My shops been down for 1.5 years now since they put me on disability. I’ve been talking to those on Woodworkingtalk that of I don hp get it cleaned up and start using it again by the end of summer I may just close ot up..

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#15 posted 04-15-2021 02:26 PM

Lots of great info here – thanks ! I have quite a bit to look at and will for sure update this post once I make the move. : )

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