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ileventh

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04-08-2021 01:57 PM

Topic tags/keywords: red cedar grade sauna

I’ve ordered a cedar barrel sauna online from a company that claimed that the wood was 100% Grade A Red Cedar. The sauna kit just arrived, and as I was unpacking the staves I noticed that over 1/3 of them had significant defects that were patched with wood filler at the factory. Some of the staves even had holes from knots of ~2” diameter that went all the way through the stave. Other staves had large defect areas that were surface-patched with the filler. I’m no lumber expert, but from the searching I’ve done online it seems that Grade A Red Cedar should have minimal defects, and any knots should be small tight ones with no dropouts. I’ve included some pictures as examples. If any of you are knowledgeable about Cedar grading, I’d really appreciated your assessment, as I need to determine how to best address this with the sauna kit manufacturer. Thank you for your help!


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#1 posted 04-08-2021 02:37 PM

Wow thats pretty bad, i wouldn’t even use those as fence material. I’d send it back.

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#2 posted 04-08-2021 02:44 PM

That’s terrible looking for grade A.
Here’s the problem the spa company is facing. All the best wrc is going straight to the mill works. To build wine cellars for the tech giants and grifters in the new potato administration. As they celebrate their takeover.
Good luck

-- Aj

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#3 posted 04-08-2021 03:05 PM

Bounce it back to them. Shouldn’t be big knots in grade A.

From Bear creek lumber link HERE

  • The Western Red Cedar Lumber Association describes this grade as permitting somewhat more imperfections than Clear Heart but still restricted to pieces with excellent appearance. The WWPA garding book tells us that this is a grade ideally suited for applications where finishing requirements are less exacting.


A grade sample.

  • A & Better Clear - Ideally suited to applications where finishing requirements are less exacting.  Limiting provisions include: small seasoning checks , occasional very light skips on edges and backs. Allows for two small, sound tight knots or their equivalent

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#4 posted 04-08-2021 04:01 PM

That just junk. Send it back.

-- Sawdust Maker

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#5 posted 04-08-2021 08:38 PM

Those aren’t even knots, let alone small ones. The gigantic holes have been filled with something that’s guaranteed to fall out once the sauna is used.

RUBBISH – send it back , find a different supplier.

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SMP

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#6 posted 04-08-2021 08:54 PM



Those aren’t even knots, let alone small ones. The gigantic holes have been filled with something that’s guaranteed to fall out once the sauna is used.

RUBBISH – send it back , find a different supplier.

- xedos

It looks like a hungover squirrel threw up his morning oatmeal all over his house.

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#7 posted 04-08-2021 09:56 PM

That’s economy at best. Send it back.

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#8 posted 04-08-2021 10:10 PM

Only a “hack” company would send out product like that IMHO.

-- Darrel

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#9 posted 04-09-2021 02:55 AM

Grade A? On which scale, the backwards Z-A measure?

I call that stuff #3 or ‘C’ grade at best.

Try this Alta grading book as reference.
https://oakleyfence.com/wp-content/uploads/Brochure/AltaGradeBook.pdf

There are many other references online:
https://www.realcedar.com/timbers/grades-specifications/
https://www.jwlumber.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/WRC-Quick-Facts.pdf

Best Luck returning a freight shipment from an online purchase of a large stack of wood.

If supplier does not offer to replace unusable boards with grade A stuff, notify your bank about fraudulent CC purchase. Don’t let supplier drag out discussion past 30 days from purchase charge date, or Bank/CC resolution gets more difficult.

Cheers!

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#10 posted 04-09-2021 04:00 AM

My buddy owned several cedar mills around Pacific Beach, Washington. Though I never ran the saws, was around the mills a lot helping out.

Though his products were all cedar roofing and siding, it remains Northwest red cedar is Northwest red cedar.

Grade A was old growth and, as others pointed out, knot free, for the most part, though, as MadMark says, they allowed a percentage of lesser quality stuff in the bundles.

This, damn sure, is not grade A and the company is operated by cons, if they pass crap like this.

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SIDE NOTE:

The price for cedar siding is much higher than the price of cedar roofing. The ONLY things that changes between the two is, the labels.

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