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Forum topic by Logan Craig posted 04-07-2021 04:16 PM 346 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Logan Craig

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04-07-2021 04:16 PM

Topic tags/keywords: shaper

I am looking at getting a shaper for raised panel cabinetry making. Specifically I am looking at the Grizzly G1026. It is 3hp. I am worried that it might not cut as effortlessly as I expect. So my question:

Is it unreasonable to expect this thing to to an over and under roman ogee raised panel cut in one pass through walnut? Would it be reasonable to nock out 90% of it and then run a ‘finish’ cut?
With my rather beefy router table I am getting it done with 3-4 passes. So if this thing couldn’t do a lot better than that I might be wasting my money. Thoughts?

Additional question: Should I expect a shaper cutter head to be more efficient than my existing router bit used in the shaper via a collet adapter? I’m assuming I will want to buy a true shaper bit right away, but I’m curious if it really matters.

And lastly, does anyone recommend another brand/model in lieu of the G1026?

I can’t find a video online of anyone using it to do raised panels. Many reviewers say that’s what they do with it, but don’t elaborate how many passes they have to make and that sort of thing.

thanks for the advice.

-- Logan


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#1 posted 04-07-2021 05:13 PM

Yes its reasonable to expect single pass rp cuts.

Yes shaper cutters work better than router bits. (The larger the cutter the more tangential the cut) it means better surface finish and longer tool life.

Yes there are lots of better shapers (frankly most will be better) how much do you want to spend is the real question..

Have you considered a used machine.

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therealSteveN

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#2 posted 04-07-2021 05:47 PM

Excellent answers above. The motors are the major difference the 3HP Shaper has a motor designed for all day use, every day. The router would burn up trying to keep up.

Just like with router bits there are good quality shaper cutters, and some not so great. Buy better grade cutters, and off you go. Back when I had need of a Shaper I had good luck with LRH, CMT, Freud, and Amana cutters.

-- Think safe, be safe

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ibewjon

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#3 posted 04-07-2021 07:37 PM

I gave a 3 hp North State shaper. Cuts red oak without a blink. One pass. For my most used cutters I buy Freeborn, and cheaper cutters for that one time or rarely used cutters. I have cutters with 3/4” bore. 1/2” spindles are too small, and 1 1/4” are pricey, more for a cabinet shop in my opinion, but I have been wrong before. I bought this shaper long before I got a router table, and glad I did.

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Logan Craig

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#4 posted 04-07-2021 09:11 PM

Excellent advice folks. Much appreciated.

I am all for used stuff but hate searching for it. I don’t even mind driving a ways for it so long as I can make the round trip back to northern NM in a day. Let me know if you are aware of anything. My max price for a new one would probably be 3K$ Depending on what extras might come standard. Grizzly doesn’t include much. I’d love to see your favorites between 2k$-3k$. I very much like the idea of having one that can double as a router with a collet adapter so I can run a dual setup with my router table on occasion.

-- Logan

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#5 posted 04-07-2021 10:04 PM

I saw the NM reference and had to peek, I grew up on Delicado Dr, back through the late 60’s and 70’s.
Small world!

Keep the eyeball on Craig’s list, seems I see shapers pop up in Santa Fe and Abq now and then. Further south is futile 8^)

Also watch machinerymax.com for auctions. Went to one in Abq a few years back and they had a number of shapers that went for cheap (1-$200 w/bits). Seems southern CO. has good prospects too.

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Logan Craig

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#6 posted 04-07-2021 10:07 PM

Thanks Splintergroup. You were about a block from where I am now on the Aragon Ave loop.

-- Logan

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#7 posted 04-07-2021 10:08 PM

I have the smaller version of the 1026. I hated the fence so much I ended up making my own. The 1026 fence looks very similar.

I’m not a grizzly basher, I have a few of there tools. I wouldn’t get another shaper unless the fence was different.

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Logan Craig

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#8 posted 04-07-2021 10:10 PM

Thanks CWWoodworking. They say its cast iron now (despite the pic on the site still showing MDF. But some folks have still complained about it. Crappy fences also seems to be pretty universal. But I’ll consider your advice all the same.

-- Logan

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#9 posted 04-07-2021 10:17 PM

Adjusting it was terrible. I ended up dedicating it to a stacked cope and stick set. It’s fine for that. But if I had to do a lot of different applications, I’d make a more detailed fence similar to a incra design.

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#10 posted 04-08-2021 01:32 AM


Excellent advice folks. Much appreciated.

I am all for used stuff but hate searching for it. I don t even mind driving a ways for it so long as I can make the round trip back to northern NM in a day. Let me know if you are aware of anything. My max price for a new one would probably be 3K$ Depending on what extras might come standard. Grizzly doesn t include much. I d love to see your favorites between 2k$-3k$. I very much like the idea of having one that can double as a router with a collet adapter so I can run a dual setup with my router table on occasion.

- Logan Craig

Depending on how much used machinery is in your general location 2-3k could get you a true industrial machine on the used market. 7.5hp, 1500lb 120/130 class machine.

I’ve not paid over 1500 for a shaper in that general category.

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#11 posted 04-09-2021 11:50 AM

LC – let me dash some of your hopes and dreams right now .

A 3hp shaper is not going to “double” as a router table. It won’t spin the bits fast enough to produce good cuts with anything except a raised panel bit. Which makes buy a shaper to run those, kinda daft in the first place.

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ibewjon

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#12 posted 04-09-2021 02:15 PM

A shaper us a shaper. A router is a router. Why spend the time to change the shaper to a router spindle, just use the router. Get the cutters you need for the shaper, and you will be better off.

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#13 posted 04-09-2021 05:21 PM

The speed thing hadn’t occurred to me.
So if I did want to use it to make “normal” cuts like a 1/2 inch roundover or something I’d want to get a 1/2 inch roundover shaper bit, but its kind of pointless because the router table can do it just fine?

-- Logan

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#14 posted 04-09-2021 05:34 PM

No doubt this isn’t within driving distance, but the owner might ship it. It's a 5HP with a power feeder.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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ibewjon

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#15 posted 04-09-2021 05:57 PM

. I can change a shaper cutter and adjust the height on the shaper faster than the router table.

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