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03-25-2021 03:44 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cabinets shaker doors

I’m working on a center cabinet of three that will have two shaker-style doors and no mid-stile.

I planned for a 1/16” gap between the doors, and a 1” overlay. I have the Blum 1” overlay hinges already that recommend a 1/8” inset from the edge of the door for the hinge to sit. My face frame stiles are 2 1/2” wide, so there would be a 1/2” space between in center cabinet doors and the outside cabinet doors.

With all those things considered, and the doors butted up to each other flush (to measure), they are about 3/16” too wide (combined) for the opening. I’ve played around with a few ideas to overcome this and provide the gap between them without having to trim the doors down.

One thought occurred to me that I’ve tested on a dummy door/face frame I built, and wanted to see if you all thought this would work. I’m considering increasing the inset of the hinges of the doors to 3/16”, or even 1/4”. In theory, that should pull the entire door toward the outside of the opening, allowing for that 1/16” gap between doors, right? Are there any pitfalls to this, other than giving up part of that 1/2” between outside and center cabinet doors?

I know this is a lot and may be confusing. Let me know how I can make it more simple if need be.

As always, TIA.

-- What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive. -Arnold Palmer


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#1 posted 03-25-2021 04:05 PM

Can you maybe draw some pics of it? I work better visually

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#2 posted 03-25-2021 04:12 PM

What hinge are you using (#)
If you go to far in, the edge of the door will hit the arm of the hinge, or the face of the cabinet.
Easiest way is to just drill a hinge hole into a piece of scrap 1/4” in from the edge,
mount it and see what happens when you open it.

I believe 1/8” is the max on them.

Another option would be to trim the 2 1/2” frame down to 2 3/8.
Making the inside measurement of the cabinet (between the frames) wider.

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#3 posted 03-25-2021 04:19 PM



Can you maybe draw some pics of it? I work better visually

- SMP


Thanks. Understood. I’ll do that later.

-- What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive. -Arnold Palmer

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#4 posted 03-25-2021 04:27 PM



What hinge are you using (#)
If you go to far in, the edge of the door will hit the arm of the hinge, or the face of the cabinet.
Easiest way is to just drill a hinge hole into a piece of scrap 1/4” in from the edge,
mount it and see what happens when you open it.

I believe 1/8” is the max on them.

Another option would be to trim the 2 1/2” frame down to 2 3/8.
Making the inside measurement of the cabinet (between the frames) wider.

- LeeRoyMan


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I did mock up a door and face frame and tried it at 3/16” inset, and it worked fine. It seemed to pull the door to the outside as well, but not sure of any other ramifications.

I’ll post pics when I can. It doesn’t seem to let me do what I’m trying to do right now.

-- What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive. -Arnold Palmer

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#5 posted 03-25-2021 04:40 PM

If I understand your issue correctly, an alternative from moving the center doors outward would be to make the doors overlap (like a ship lap joint). Of course this would mean no visible gap between the doors but dust would have a harder time getting in 8^)

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#6 posted 03-25-2021 04:45 PM

You don’t say why you can’t trim the doors down. If I understand you correctly, it would only require taking 1/16” off of each of the 4 stiles.

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#7 posted 03-25-2021 04:49 PM


You don t say why you can t trim the doors down. If I understand you correctly, it would only require taking 1/16” off of each of the 4 stiles.

- bilyo


I’m fairly new at woodworking, and am afraid I’ll screw them up, get them out of square and have to rebuild them. That is definitely an option, though…just trying to look at all options.

Edit: I would really only need to trim the stiles of the doors in question, correct? The outside doors fit the opening fine.

-- What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive. -Arnold Palmer

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#8 posted 03-25-2021 04:52 PM

a few sweeps with a plane would do it.
Otherwise, put some shims between the cabinets (washers?) when assembling them.

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#9 posted 03-25-2021 04:54 PM

if you have 2.5 inch face frame w/1 inch ol hinges you’re going to have .5 in between. The 1/8th tab is correct, Blum tells you 3mm so close enough. You measured doors wrong, they shipped wrong hinges or adjustments on both are out of whack maxed out

do a simple measured drawing of boxes, stiles and doors and post it.

Why trim doors if you can make stiles wider?

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#10 posted 03-25-2021 05:02 PM


if you have 2.5 inch face frame w/1 inch ol hinges you re going to have .5 in between. The 1/8th tab is correct, Blum tells you 3mm so close enough. You measured doors wrong, they shipped wrong hinges or adjustments on both are out of whack maxed out

do a simple measured drawing of boxes, stiles and doors and post it.

Why trim doors if you can make stiles wider?

- 1thumb


Are you talking about making the opening wider by moving the stiles further out? That will reduce the size of the cabinet opening of the outside cabinets. The doors are too wide…they were calculated based on the opening in the face frame. Somehow, probably in glue-up they are too wide.

The doors haven’t been installed, yet. I’m forecasting an issue based on the fact that the doors are wider than they should be per the sizing calculations that were based on the opening.

-- What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive. -Arnold Palmer

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#11 posted 03-25-2021 05:04 PM

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#12 posted 03-25-2021 05:26 PM

Trimming the doors seems like simplest solution if you have table saw with good fence setup or good track saw.

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#13 posted 03-25-2021 05:45 PM



Trimming the doors seems like simplest solution if you have table saw with good fence setup or good track saw.

- hotbyte


Thanks. That might have to be the way I go. I have a lower end job site saw, and it doesn’t have the greatest fence, but I’ll just have to be especially careful not to get them out of square.

-- What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive. -Arnold Palmer

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#14 posted 03-25-2021 06:08 PM


Trimming the doors seems like simplest solution if you have table saw with good fence setup or good track saw.

- hotbyte

Thanks. That might have to be the way I go. I have a lower end job site saw, and it doesn t have the greatest fence, but I ll just have to be especially careful not to get them out of square.

- KvG

I’ve done this before when spacing out and somehow messing up math somewhere. My TS has a crappy fence, but just measure from the fence to the front tip of blade, and measure fence to back tip of blade(making sure you measure both on right facing teeth). If you have a hand plane you can clean up that cut with a couple swipes.

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#15 posted 03-25-2021 06:15 PM

Part of the issue is that the Blum compact hinges have a throw out of almost 5/16” when opened.
1/8” gaps with this hinge are unrealistic.

3/8” gaps on the hinge side is about as tight as they can get and at that, you might not be able to open two adjacent doors at the same time.

There is a Blum 125 degree hinge that can do 1” overlay with 1/8” gaps but it is bulky and more expensive by a factor of 3x or 4x the cost of the compacts.

This could be an alternative to trimming the doors, but be aware that if you already drilled cup holes in your doors, they will be a different offset with the other hinge.

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