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Beuford

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03-24-2021 01:08 AM

I went shopping for a dust collect or today. I want to stop breathing the small dust particles I am generating with my saws. I went to a local retailer to look over a few, but none impressed me. In fact, it was discouraging…

The first one I looked at was a Shop Fox 1826. This actually looked like a reasonable unit. Sturdy enough, cheap enough, and enough capacity for what I need. However, they only had the display model, and it vibrated excessively when operated. Check that one off the list.

Next, I looked at a Shop Fox W1727. It ran smooth, but the system just seemed very flimsy. Also, looking a little closer I noticed that the 1727 was using the same impeller as the 1826; however, since the motor was on the opposite side of the impeller housing the impeller must turn in the opposite direction. Now, most of the time these impellers have a particular direction they are designed to spin. In this case the impeller blades were at a right angle to the shaft with no curvature, so direction is not a function of the blade orientation (should work as well either direction). BUT, this impeller has stiffening ridges on one side of the impeller blades (LARGE stiffening ridges), so it would be better to run the impeller such that the smooth side acts on the air. Unfortunately, while this is the configuration of the 1826, on the 1727 it is the ridged side that acts on the air. Maybe that’s why the motor draws more amps than the 1826… Oh, well. Flimsy and backwards-operating impeller – next, please.

OK, so finally I looked at the Jet DC-650. The Jet seemed to be sturdier than the Shop Fox W1727, even though the sheet metal gauge of the fan housing seemed to be the same for both. The Jet housing was stamped in a different way, which I think increased the stiffness of the assembly. It felt like the W1727 threw more air (or at least sounded like it…!), but the Jet seemed to run well and had sufficient flow capacity for my needs. But then I noticed that this was a TEFC motor, and I thought, “Where’s the fan?”. These need a fan to push air over the external fins to cool the enclosed motor. Further investigation found the fan at the end of the motor shaft (exactly where you’d expect it), but that puts it inside of the pedestal tube to which the motor bolts. The tube should act as a fan shroud (just as would have an unmounted motor), but in this case there is no slots or holes for air to enter the pedestal. A fan mounted this way (with one side essentially covered) does not make a very good fan. I wonder if people are having motor overheating issues with this dust collector? In any event, the retailer only had the Jet DC-650 model with the 30 micron bag, which does little to curb the health impact of sawdust given that it is the finer particles that are harmful. So, on to the next one…

Does anyone have any other suggestions for a dust collector in a similar class? I’d like to spend around $300 – $400, but no more. I’d also like to stay in the 7A – 9A current range when operating on 120V. I only need 500 – 800 CFM.

I saw that Woodcraft locally has a Rikon 60-100; has anyone had any experience with that model? It looks to use a stamped-steel housing design similar to the Jet (for stiffness), and comes with a 5 micron bag. It may have the same problem with motor ventilation as the Jet, but at this point I’d be willing to drill holes in the motor pedestal for ventilation.

Thanks in advance,

Beuford


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#1 posted 03-24-2021 01:21 AM

A canister filter is what you want, and a 1 1/2 HP collector minimum. That puts you way over $400.

Jet makes good blowers. They’ve been making those collectors for decades. Mine is over 20 years old. I seriously doubt there is an overheating issue or they would have corrected it by now

Some people are happy with the 2HP Harbor Freight.

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#2 posted 03-24-2021 01:33 AM

I have seen so many threads about people recommending the Harbor Freight 2hp with a canister filter. I have never seen anyone test it to see if that can pick up all the fine dust from a table saw.

Does anyone know that one for sure? Ultimately would it be good enough to catch all the dust to eliminate needing a dust mask?

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CWWoodworking

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#3 posted 03-24-2021 01:47 AM



I have seen so many threads about people recommending the Harbor Freight 2hp with a canister filter. I have never seen anyone test it to see if that can pick up all the fine dust from a table saw.

Does anyone know that one for sure? Ultimately would it be good enough to catch all the dust to eliminate needing a dust mask?

- ColoradoJake

I don’t own one but I think the consensus on the threads I’ve read is that it’s a lot of work to save a minuscule amount of money.

I’d look at a grizzly and vent it outside.

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#4 posted 03-24-2021 01:50 AM

Hi Beu and welcome to LJ.

Undoubtedly you will get a diversity of recommendations as most people will spruik what they have and not too many have the opportunity to test dusties side by side for comparative reports… “Woodie” magazines do these comparisons and maybe some Internet guys but remember some may be subsidised.

Next thing to consider is that machines made many years ago were built to last, unlike the current disposable attitude… so brands that have lasted decades may now contain cheap plastic components.

Whatever you choose, if it doesn’t include a cyclone front end, I will swear by my Dust Deputy front end onto my main dusty and shop vacs.

Personally I would avoid cheap made-in China stuff… if you can find any.

Also opt for a decent filter cartridge rather than a bag.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#5 posted 03-24-2021 01:51 AM

I started out with a 2hp grizzly with bags. Wasn’t that great for the fine stuff. Ditched the bags, mounted it on a Dust Deputy XL and exhausted that into a Wynn canister filter. That thing will suck your drawers off. If I had it to do over again I would go with a Jet blower rather than Grizzly.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#6 posted 03-24-2021 02:11 AM



Hi Beu and welcome to LJ.

Undoubtedly you will get a diversity of recommendations as most people will spruik what they have and not too many have the opportunity to test dusties side by side for comparative reports… “Woodie” magazines do these comparisons and maybe some Internet guys but remember some may be subsidised.

Next thing to consider is that machines made many years ago were built to last, unlike the current disposable attitude… so brands that have lasted decades may now contain cheap plastic components.

Personally I would avoid cheap made-in China stuff… if you can find any.

Whatever you choose, if it doesn t include a cyclone front end, I will swear by my Dust Deputy front end onto my main dusty and shop vacs.

- LittleBlackDuck

Duck I think that he is looking for shop dust collection not individual shop vacs. OP when you go into the woodworking tool arena- IMO it starts with $$$ budget they have all price ranges …

I suggest that you do some research – time and money… May I suggest- Laguna
https://lagunatools.com/classic/dust-collectors/

Duck- as an experienced woodworker and respected member, would you care to show your first dust collector? If you show me yours- then I will show you mine… OP, important woodshop tool do your research…

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#7 posted 03-24-2021 02:47 AM

well when it comes to good dust collection you get what you pay for,300-400 wont get it done.you gotta decide how much protection you need or want then research and pay whats needed to achieve that.5 micron bags just dump the fine dust back into the air you breathe.take your time and spend your money wisely and once!

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#8 posted 03-24-2021 02:52 AM



well when it comes to good dust collection you get what you pay for,300-400 wont get it done.you gotta decide how much protection you need or want then research and pay whats needed to achieve that.5 micron bags just dump the fine dust back into the air you breathe.take your time and spend your money wisely and once!

- pottz

+1 The Laguna link that I posted- will show low to high- depending on what you want…

Good advice…

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#9 posted 03-24-2021 03:33 AM

bought an 1100 Jet about 10 years ago. Initially, it worked for me, but the older I get, the less I want to breathe the fine dust. I bought a respirator to go along with it. If you search my name, you will see that thread. Will end up getting a cartridge filter for it or sell it on CL and get a real dust collector…..... Good luck with your search!
Jake

-- Be safe out there

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LittleBlackDuck

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#10 posted 03-24-2021 03:39 AM



Duck I think that he is looking for shop dust collection not individual shop vacs. OP when you go into the woodworking tool arena- IMO it starts with $$$ budget they have all price ranges …
—Desert Woodworker

Did notice… just like to cover all bases… probably a Jet re-badged… FYI, mag-switch swapped out so I can use a remote power point.

The DD on shop-vacs is a different story (OK, different photo),

and to keep the lungs alcohol ready… air filtration,

and as I don’t make bowls… I don’t need a DD on my lathe’s dusty,

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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LittleBlackDuck

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#11 posted 03-24-2021 03:50 AM



.... take your time and spend your money wisely and once!
- pottz

and buy a Rotex... Sorry Beu couldn’t resist it… long story.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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Beuford

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#12 posted 03-24-2021 05:47 AM



Personally I would avoid cheap made-in China stuff… if you can find any.

Yeah, like that’s gonna happen…. China and Taiwan are pretty much the only game now.


Also opt for a decent filter cartridge rather than a bag.

That’s what I’m thinking. Actually, I’m not that exposed to the dust until clean-up; everything drops pretty rapidly. I’m concerned that a poor, high-micron bag will actually make things worse by aerosolizing all the very fine particles that might otherwise drop harmlessly to the ground under the saw.

I think I’ll just move equipment outside for work. They’re on wheels, after all… cheap and easy solution.

Steve

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tvrgeek

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#13 posted 03-24-2021 09:26 AM

Short answer: N95 mask.
Least expensive: The right one used/modified/DIY
Turns out, good safe duct collection is difficult.

Chips I can sweep up. Fine dust is the problem.
You want a canister unless you vent outside. Bags collect chips and pump the fines directly into your lungs.
Do not confuse duct collector with shop vac. Different tools need different solutions.
Without a true cyclone, a canister will load up very fast. Just a days work can plug one, over pressurize and blow the bag off. I know from experience.
I had a 1 3/4 HP Jet. Converted to canister. Not quite enough for a cabinet table saw, so I have a ClearView 5 HP on order. If a portable and just a short hose, you can do with less.
I run the small ClearVIew cyclone kit on my shop vac for hand sanders and for cleanup. ( Fein HEPA vac) Works great. As a portable vac, it might even work better than a dust collector for a contractor saw with a full lower shroud. It would do OK on my disk and spindle sander, but for the big scoop behind my miter saw, lathe, and table saw, I want the much higher CFM.

The taller the cyclone cone the better it works. Kind of a hint when yo see how short some are. But any cyclone, or even a Thein baffle is better than nothing,

I also run MERV 13 filters on my HVAC and have an old furnace blower as an air circulator with MERV 13 filters. DIY, and very cheap compared to the pathetic brand name ceiling hung jobs.

Oneida and ClearView are the class of the field, with the Harvey coming on strong. Not cheap. At least go read their WEB sites and references. If I added the mid-size CV cyclone to the Jet, and used it portable, it might have been sufficient, but I wanted full ductwork. If you mount the unit outside ( but protected) even a bag woudl be fine and the fine dust would be outside. That precludes HVAC thought.

All those flex hoses greatly increases the demand on the collector. A 1 1/2 HP portable with only a couple free run wil out-doo a 3 HP with all that flex. Even the 3 HP Harvey, as a portable would do as well or better than the 5 HP I have on order, but I will be pulling from a full ducted system. The 3 HP Oneida might have been big enough, but wait times were about the same, I have the power, and it was a few cents cheaper.

Even with all I am doing, there are times I will still wear a respirator or N95 mask.

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#14 posted 03-24-2021 10:35 AM

Does anyone have any other suggestions for a dust collector in a similar class? I d like to spend around $300 – $400, but no more. I d also like to stay in the 7A – 9A current range when operating on 120V. I only need 500 – 800 CFM.

Beuford

- Beuford


Sometimes what we want just isn’t possible short of a miracle buy of a used unit. Dust collection is a very tricky subject, some folks want to avoid sweeping the floor, others want to protect their health; you seem to fall into that segment. You will need something with more oomph to do what I think you want, otherwise it’s just mask up when in the shop…and that’s not a Covid thing.

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#15 posted 03-24-2021 10:45 AM


Personally I would avoid cheap made-in China stuff… if you can find any.

I m not that exposed to the dust until clean-up; everything drops pretty rapidly.at might otherwise drop harmlessly to the ground under the saw.

Steve

Reconsider this assumption. A spinning blade on a table saw or miter saw are spewing dust everywhere. It’s the dust you don’t see that’s the issue.

A well ventilated shop and exhausting outside is great if your climate allows. But if not, personal protection and air filtration is a necessity.

We’re all talking about air quality inside the shop. If you’re doing everything outside, it becomes more moot.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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