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Lislewood

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03-11-2021 02:29 AM

Hello All,

I’m looking at buying a 14” bandsaw, seems like a good size to do what you generally do with a bandsaw in a basement shop, but have no experience with them.
I also don’t want to buy a “starter” tool and have to upgrade later like I did when I was first starting out.
So far I am looking at offerings from Rikon, Laguna and Jet in the 14” size. I haven’t head good things about the Grizzly bandsaws so they’re out for now.
When I was a local Rockler, the Laguna seemed to be of a higher build quality than the Rikon, and on par with the Jet.
Bottom line is, are Laguna a safe bet or should I be looking at someone else for a 10+ year partner?


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tvrgeek

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#1 posted 03-11-2021 03:21 AM

Close call Rikon or Laguna, but I went Harvey C-14. Love it. 3 HP. Guides less fiddley. Very glad I went the 3 HP.

Harvey is one of the big OEMs. Not going anywhere. Service has been great. Good enough I bought their C-300 table saw which I am also pleased with. I expect it as a lifetime tool. At least my lifetime. :)

The Jet had reports of upper block issues and guides not as nice. Compared, it was a step down. Griz two big steps down. Oliver and Baliegh just higher priced of generic Chinese parts bin saws. Their real market is in bigger ones. Powermatic no better, older weaker design and quality is not what it was.

Some have issues with the Laguna guides slipping and being fiddley. Others love them. Not heard a bad word on the Rikon either. It was tough between the three.

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CL810

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#2 posted 03-11-2021 03:48 AM

There are a lot of reviews of the Laguna 1412s. One recent one is Pintodeluxe’s review here .

I have had a 1412 BX for over a year now and I think it is a great saw. Anyway, the reviews go into the saws in detail.

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Lislewood

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#3 posted 03-11-2021 03:48 AM

Yeah, I was looking at the Harvey as well until I realized I wouldn’t be able to buy a new drill press if I bought that this year…
Their table saws look amazing.


Close call Rikon or Laguna, but I went Harvey C-14. Love it. 3 HP. Guides less fiddley. Very glad I went the 3 HP.

Harvey is one of the big OEMs. Not going anywhere. Service has been great. Good enough I bought their C-300 table saw which I am also pleased with. I expect it as a lifetime tool. At least my lifetime. :)

The Jet had reports of upper block issues and guides not as nice. Compared, it was a step down. Griz two big steps down. Oliver and Baliegh just higher priced of generic Chinese parts bin saws. Their real market is in bigger ones. Powermatic no better, older weaker design and quality is not what it was.

Some have issues with the Laguna guides slipping and being fiddley. Others love them. Not heard a bad word on the Rikon either. It was tough between the three.

- tvrgeek


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Lislewood

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#4 posted 03-11-2021 03:49 AM

Thanks for the link.


There are a lot of reviews of the Laguna 1412s. One recent one is Pintodeluxe s review here .

I have had a 1412 BX for over a year now and I think it is a great saw. Anyway, the reviews go into the saws in detail.

- CL810


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#5 posted 03-11-2021 07:31 AM

The blade guides on the Rikon bandsaw are the easiest guides I have ever used. They are require no tools to adjust. Turn a knob and adjust the guides are spring loaded just push them to position and tighten the lock. My woodworking club shop has had nothing but trouble with the laguna bandsaw. It’s been down several times in the year the club has owned it. The problem could be the number of different people that use it.

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tvrgeek

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#6 posted 03-11-2021 10:58 AM

The most expensive tool is one you will want to replace later. Buy the tool you really want once. Having bought what I thought were lifetime tools only to learn by using them, I now analyze the daylights first looking at the smallest details.

I argue, Rikon are second best. The Harvey are on an eccentric, so no spring to fight. Both great and the difference it splitting hairs. The 3 HP Rikon is more expensive though. Had the Harvey not been available, I would have paid the money for the Rikon. ( I had a bench top Delta.) Had I bought the Laguna, I am sure I would be happy.

C-14 $1400 3 hp
14-bx $1500 2.5 hp *
10-353 $2125 3 hp

Plus shipping of course.
  • + blade. Rikon and Harvey come with one. The Harvey was great until I hit a tooth on the guide. Just got a delivery last night from Sawblades .com

Rikon and Laguna have lower powered saws for a couple hundred less, but between them all, I recommend the little extra for the 3 HP. That makes it a lifetime tool. Of course, you need the 220 outlet, preferably 30A, but can get by with 20. If you only have 110, then that brings you down to 1 3/4 HP machines. I think I woudl pick the open stand Rikon then.

If you search long enough, there are a few instances of guide issues with Laguna. Mostly alignment (DSO?) or slipping due to the slick anodizing. Consensus is they are better if you do more re-saw, where the bearing guides are better for general and curve. You can fit Carters on the Laguna and I think the Carter scroll guide is available for all. Local store had the Laguna and Rikon side by side to fiddle with. As I said, all super machines, hard to make a decision.

Changing the blade on the Harvey takes a tool to remove the upper blade guard. At least until I put a thumbscrew on to replace the bolt. It did not come with a lower dust deflector, even though it has the guides for one. Made one from MDF and it does help dust collection a tiny bit. I bought the Bora machine wheels rather than any OEM mobility kit. One of them put the lift on the back which would have been inconvenient for me. The only other mod I plan is a large fold up outfeed table.

There is not much to go wrong with these machines. Other than guide adjustment, they have not changed much in 100 years. Might look at the parts diagram at the size and design of the trunnion. Bigger is better. Small differences in table size. Bigger is better. It did take a lot of fiddling to adjust the guide post to be dead in line with the band and instructions were terrible.

There is a list of 17 inch class drill presses with a 5 to 6 inch quill stroke. All around $1000 to $1200. I kind of like the VS Rikon, but the old school Palmgren is nice and so is the Jet. I went used Delta and it works, but I am not thrilled. Many drills do not have a long enough stroke and many don’t go slow enough. I want no more than 400 for low speed. I do not understand the high RPM recommendations. I rarely go above 1200. I previously criticized the Jet depth stop as two on the floor of a store did not work, but last week, was in another store and it worked fine. Must have been assembly. So only question is a couple complaints about pullies not being quite round. The flat belts should be smoother than V-belts. Bigger table which is nice. Big bucks gets the Nova, but I don’t think it is as convenient to use. Just by description, too many buttons to push just to drill a hole.

I went Harvey TS as I just could not get myself to pay the price for a SawStop. PCS is a great saw, no complaints. Little better fit and finish, but just so much money. Very happy with my decision.

I also went too small on my dust collector so replacing my Jet 1100/canister with a ClearView 5 HP cyclone.

The only basic tool I bought used/cheap I am happy with is my 6 inch jointer, or wil be when the Shelix head gets here. I guess if I bought new, I would buy an 8 inch, but I can’t see upgrading.

Currently waffling, DeWalt 734/Shelix vs Jet 15 inch planer. This is one case where I think the smaller tool is actually the right one. My old Delta lunchbox actually has done all I asked, but it seems I nick a blade every other time I use it.


The blade guides on the Rikon bandsaw are the easiest guides I have ever used. They are require no tools to adjust. Turn a knob and adjust the guides are spring loaded just push them to position and tighten the lock. My woodworking club shop has had nothing but trouble with the laguna bandsaw. It s been down several times in the year the club has owned it. The problem could be the number of different people that use it.

- Woodmaster1


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Lislewood

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#7 posted 03-11-2021 12:54 PM

I’m actually getting the Nova viking drill press.
The insight on the Harvey band saw was helpful.
I thought they were$2400 not #1400. Will add them back to the list.
The Dewalt planer is a good buy. I have it and I only wish it was 220v.
Also looking to upgrade to a Shelix. No jointer this year since I don’t want to spend all my spare cash on tools due to the uncertain times we’re living in currently.


The most expensive tool is one you will want to replace later. Buy the tool you really want once. Having bought what I thought were lifetime tools only to learn by using them, I now analyze the daylights first looking at the smallest details.

I argue, Rikon are second best. The Harvey are on an eccentric, so no spring to fight. Both great and the difference it splitting hairs. The 3 HP Rikon is more expensive though. Had the Harvey not been available, I would have paid the money for the Rikon. ( I had a bench top Delta.) Had I bought the Laguna, I am sure I would be happy.

C-14 $1400 3 hp
14-bx $1500 2.5 hp *
10-353 $2125 3 hp

Plus shipping of course.
  • + blade. Rikon and Harvey come with one. The Harvey was great until I hit a tooth on the guide. Just got a delivery last night from Sawblades .com

Rikon and Laguna have lower powered saws for a couple hundred less, but between them all, I recommend the little extra for the 3 HP. That makes it a lifetime tool. Of course, you need the 220 outlet, preferably 30A, but can get by with 20. If you only have 110, then that brings you down to 1 3/4 HP machines. I think I woudl pick the open stand Rikon then.

If you search long enough, there are a few instances of guide issues with Laguna. Mostly alignment (DSO?) or slipping due to the slick anodizing. Consensus is they are better if you do more re-saw, where the bearing guides are better for general and curve. You can fit Carters on the Laguna and I think the Carter scroll guide is available for all. Local store had the Laguna and Rikon side by side to fiddle with. As I said, all super machines, hard to make a decision.

Changing the blade on the Harvey takes a tool to remove the upper blade guard. At least until I put a thumbscrew on to replace the bolt. It did not come with a lower dust deflector, even though it has the guides for one. Made one from MDF and it does help dust collection a tiny bit. I bought the Bora machine wheels rather than any OEM mobility kit. One of them put the lift on the back which would have been inconvenient for me. The only other mod I plan is a large fold up outfeed table.

There is not much to go wrong with these machines. Other than guide adjustment, they have not changed much in 100 years. Might look at the parts diagram at the size and design of the trunnion. Bigger is better. Small differences in table size. Bigger is better. It did take a lot of fiddling to adjust the guide post to be dead in line with the band and instructions were terrible.

There is a list of 17 inch class drill presses with a 5 to 6 inch quill stroke. All around $1000 to $1200. I kind of like the VS Rikon, but the old school Palmgren is nice and so is the Jet. I went used Delta and it works, but I am not thrilled. Many drills do not have a long enough stroke and many don t go slow enough. I want no more than 400 for low speed. I do not understand the high RPM recommendations. I rarely go above 1200. I previously criticized the Jet depth stop as two on the floor of a store did not work, but last week, was in another store and it worked fine. Must have been assembly. So only question is a couple complaints about pullies not being quite round. The flat belts should be smoother than V-belts. Bigger table which is nice. Big bucks gets the Nova, but I don t think it is as convenient to use. Just by description, too many buttons to push just to drill a hole.

I went Harvey TS as I just could not get myself to pay the price for a SawStop. PCS is a great saw, no complaints. Little better fit and finish, but just so much money. Very happy with my decision.

I also went too small on my dust collector so replacing my Jet 1100/canister with a ClearView 5 HP cyclone.

The only basic tool I bought used/cheap I am happy with is my 6 inch jointer, or wil be when the Shelix head gets here. I guess if I bought new, I would buy an 8 inch, but I can t see upgrading.

Currently waffling, DeWalt 734/Shelix vs Jet 15 inch planer. This is one case where I think the smaller tool is actually the right one. My old Delta lunchbox actually has done all I asked, but it seems I nick a blade every other time I use it.

The blade guides on the Rikon bandsaw are the easiest guides I have ever used. They are require no tools to adjust. Turn a knob and adjust the guides are spring loaded just push them to position and tighten the lock. My woodworking club shop has had nothing but trouble with the laguna bandsaw. It s been down several times in the year the club has owned it. The problem could be the number of different people that use it.

- Woodmaster1

- tvrgeek


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#8 posted 03-11-2021 03:21 PM

I too would be happier if the 735 was 220 My old RAS could be wired for either and it was a universal motor, so not sure why thay can’t. Pretty sure I will get one with either Byrd or Lux head.

Keep looking at the Nova, but too many buttons to press. Delta and Powermatic quality is crap. JDP-17 maybe viable but too many complaints on vibration. So many don’t have the quill stroke or tables set up for metal not wood. A couple don’t go slow enough. Palmgren is the only company who publishes spec for true and runout. They may bot be any better, but at least tell you what to expect.

I am fortunate being retired and on pension. The impact has been only inconvenience in not getting out for British car shows, woodworking shows, a night class or two.

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#9 posted 03-11-2021 03:30 PM

If your tools don’t bring in enough revenue to pay for them in a year, there’s no need to look at spending that kind of money on them. It’s your money, you can buy anything you want with it, but unless you’re running 1,000 feet of resawing through them every year, get a Jet/Shop Fox/Grizzly in the $700-$1000 range and be done with it.

-- only an idiot dismisses an intelligent statement because they dont know anything about the person delivering it.

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#10 posted 03-11-2021 03:47 PM

I am an old machine guy. I typical find old cast iron machines from the 1950’s or earlier and fix them up.

Several years back I needed a bandsaw and couldn’t find a used one so I bought a new Grizzly 14” saw. My plan was to use it and eventually replace it with an old one. Several years have passed, my shop full of old machines. Restored each one of them and their is nothing newer than 1950 except the Grizzly bandsaw.

It has proved to be a workhorse and as much as I would like to replace it it just works perfectly, well after replacing crappy bearing guides with solid guides. I just don’t see a reason to replace it. I works perfectly and has given me no issues. Just the usual minor things I expect like screws working loose. And I have given this saw a workout over the years cutting boat kits.

I don’t care what you buy. I am not a Grizzly fan boy but unless the quality has really changed I think you would be making a mistake not to look at theirs if you going to by new.

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#11 posted 03-11-2021 04:08 PM

I have had the Laguna 14 SUV for over 5 years. Plenty of hp and it is a 14/14 saw. Two dust ports, very good dust collection. No problems with the ceramic guides, and the few times I have contacted Laguna, once for the saw and a couple times about my 19/38 sander, I have had quick, helpful responses.

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#12 posted 03-11-2021 04:40 PM

I am an old machine guy. I typical find old cast iron machines from the 1950 s or earlier and fix them up.
- Kudzupatch

+1

Best bang for the buck, and IMO, built way better than any of the junk sold today.
(disclosure: I have two 50’s era 14” Delta band saws)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#13 posted 03-12-2021 01:33 PM

I have the Rikon 10-326 and love it. My needs aren’t fir a bigger saw and the price plus the ease of operation make it perfect.

-- Bill eastern Washington Home of beloved ZAGS

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#14 posted 03-12-2021 01:54 PM

I’m hearing good things about the Rikon guides.
The 10-326 does not have a foot brake right?


I have the Rikon 10-326 and love it. My needs aren’t fir a bigger saw and the price plus the ease of operation make it perfect.

- Putttn


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#15 posted 03-12-2021 02:30 PM


I m hearing good things about the Rikon guides.
The 10-326 does not have a foot brake right?
I have the Rikon 10-326 and love it. My needs aren’t fir a bigger saw and the price plus the ease of operation make it perfect.

- Putttn

- Lislewood

I also have a 10-326 and love it. But, no, it does not have a foot brake.

-- John F. SoCal transplant, chewer uppper of good wood

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