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Forum topic by Jopldangla posted 03-05-2021 04:26 AM 375 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Jopldangla

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03-05-2021 04:26 AM

I just picked up this planer, mfg in 2007, used in a shop setting (not daily, but at least weekly). $1000 cash (Boston Area). I have been hunting for a while for a 15” planer with straight cutters in the 5-$700 range and this popped up with the spiral cutter head, so I splurged and picked it up (Facebook messenger…15min after posting…tons of other interest right behind me).
Anyhow, it appears to be in good condition. I need to clean up the steel tables a bit and check things out a bit more, but I noticed the cutters were rotated at least once and at least one cutter was missing.

A few questions:
1. Grizzly sells carbide inserts for $66 for 10. Are there other alternatives that work just as good?
2. Is the cutter head on this a Byrd/Shellix cutter? (I think I read that somewhere).
3. Does anybody know which direction the cutter indicators are placed when they are new? Trying to gauge how many turns these have had.
4. What do folks recommend I do to inspect and clean up the machine?


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Ocelot

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#1 posted 03-05-2021 06:26 AM

There are several sizes and types of cutters. Some have straight edges and others with a bit of a radius. Some 14mn, others 15mn, even from grizzly. Grizzly sells Byrd heads and also their own. I have G0490x jointer and also 20 inch planer with helical head 454z, I think. Both of them are grizzly heads, and I think have straight edge cutters. The Byrd cutters I believe have a subtle radius.

The planer takes 14mm by 2mm thick inserts $44/10

The jointer takes 15mm x 2.5mm. $66/10.
I haven’t looked, but I would think there would be a Byrd logo on the head if it were theirs.

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#2 posted 03-05-2021 07:59 AM

Not sure you have Byrd helical head on that 15” planer?

The Byrd H7354 15×15x2.5 inserts are only $33 per 10 at Grizzly.
Find similar prices from other suppliers like Oella Saw & Tool, Carbide Processors, or other online carbide tooling shops.

G1021X2 uses H9893 insert. These inserts tend to be more expensive, don’t know why.
Can get several different grades of this size insert from Oella Saw & Tool for ~$40 set of 10.

The challenge with buying alternate inserts is all the details like; back draft angle, corner style, radius of edge, and mounting hole. Pretty sure the 15” Byrd head inserts have 4” (100mm) radius, and the Grizzly H9893 inserts use something different + square corners; to name a few differences I remember.

Have had good luck with German carbide inserts sold by Oella Saw on a jointer head. They carry several brands. A phone call will help educate on differences that work in your machine. Usually find something cheaper than Grizzly too. If you are replacing entire set of inserts for planer head, they usually offer a package discount; but it’s not found on website, and you have to call.

Tip: Must use torque wrench when installing the insert hold down screws on segmented head. The head/insert is designed for specific torque range and fastener stretch. Too much torque will break/shatter the insert. Too little and they vibrate loose, maybe break off and jam up the machine? DAMHIK

Best Luck.

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#3 posted 03-10-2021 12:41 PM

Thank you both for the good info and site references. I ended up grabbing a pack of carbides off of eBay (from China). I checked out the rest of the cutters and it looks like they have 2 cutting surfaces left (one or two had a small chip on a corner of a carbide) so I will use this 10pack to replace any missing or damaged ones… when I get to the point of needing to rotate.
Good point on the torque wrench. The manual says a small amount of machine oil and a torque wrench. They use the oil so the coefficient of friction is consistent and the resulting torque (ultimately the preload on the screw) is consistent.

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#4 posted 03-10-2021 12:53 PM

Go to woodcutters.com. They list carbides in dozens of sizes.

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#5 posted 03-10-2021 12:55 PM

Harbor Freight has an inch-pound torque wrench for $20.
I woudl use anti-seize rather than oil. Tiny amount does it.
Watch the Stumpy Nubbs video on this.

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Jopldangla

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#6 posted 03-10-2021 01:17 PM

Antiseize….I like the sound of that. Im going to check out the stumpy video first. And thanks.


Harbor Freight has an inch-pound torque wrench for $20.
I woudl use anti-seize rather than oil. Tiny amount does it.
Watch the Stumpy Nubbs video on this.

- tvrgeek


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#7 posted 03-10-2021 04:09 PM

Be careful and frugal with the anti seize. It is a good friend, but one that never leaves. Wear rubber gloves and use carefully. Don’t get it on your clothes, and a little bit goes a long way. You don’t want it flying off the cutter head onto your wood.

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