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Forum topic by tvrgeek posted 02-22-2021 07:26 PM 1076 views 1 time favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-22-2021 07:26 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

Got my saw all set up so I can list everything I noticed. Basically, I am very happy with it. ( this is the same as I posted on out NCWoodworker forum)

First the short “bad” list dealing with manufacturing.
T-Square fence was welded about 1/2 degree off. It is within adjustment, but I think it should have been better
Edges of the finger hole for the splitter were so sharp they could cut you. Easy filed fix.
Standard throat plate is warped too far to use. I will ask for a replacement.

Shipping:
Little ding in the PB/Formica left table extension. Not sure how it happened as packaging was pretty good. I may or may not bother with it as I am going to use it for a swing up left extension.

Setup:
s with previous Harvey delivery, the driver and I rolled it to the top of the driveway. I then threw a chain around the pallet and just drug it up the gravel drive into my shop. Worked like a box scraper and took the crown off the drive. I have a 800 Lb hoist in my shop, so picking it up and putting my DIY frame under it was a piece of cake.
Table was dead on square to the blade.
No problem getting the wings in line. Flat as can be.
Fence took some fiddling, but I eventually got it in
90 degree stop was right on.
Instructions were poor, but then again, if you can’t put it together, you probably should not be using one.

Design observations:
No stops on the fence ends to prevent you from sliding off the ends. Easy fix.
Dust port was on a nifty removeable plate, so when you drop your arbor nut, easy to recover. But, It was not designed for good airflow, not quite on the bottom of the tray and was 4 inch. I made my own from a bit pf plywood, set in a 6 inch blast gate.
Window for the fence rule was not a magnifier and is way above the scale, so parallax error. I will re-do.
Fence aluminum extrusion is not an even “inch ” size so between upright and laying down, you can’t just add/subtract from the fence scape easily. I am used to a fence where my jigs straddle the fence, so I wil probably just cut a bit of HDPE for each side and not use the extrusion.
Fence lock lever is very balky. The tab does not align well and it can take 3 or 4 tries to lock the fence. Not sure if this is a manufacturing or design fault. I am sure I can fix it. Just makes it not pleasant to use to have to fight it.
The blade guard is obviously a generic one and has provisions to add a vacuum port, but they do not have one and have not suggested what other brand names may use the guard and have one.
It does not have a lower blade shroud. As I don’t have my ClearView yet, I can’t comment on the airflow and dust collection capability.
Table inserts are pretty complex, so I will need to make a router gig for them. They want $60 for a ZCI. I guess trying to make some profit, but shooting themselves in the foot as priced too high.
You can sure tell the mass of the trunnion when cranking up vs. down. If I were designing it, I might put a counter weight on it to make it really sweet.

Cutting:
Put in my Diablo 60 tooth, and as expected, cuts like butter. It vibrates a little more than I expected. I think it is probably the belts ( 3 V-belts) I will most likely get three Gated cog belts and see how it goes. I don’t know what to expect as my old saw used a smoother wide multi-groove belt.

Not really much to say. My comments on design do need to be taken into account that this is a very inexpensive saw for the class. If it was a PM-2000, PCS, or the more expensive 4HP line I would be more critical. The little issues and choices all I can fix/improve or just make to my liking. So, at this stage, I can highly recommend it. Plus it was in stock and the competing Griz were not!

Here is it, no dust collector, (on backorder) with my SawStop router table on my steel frame and new outfeed table.


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#1 posted 02-22-2021 09:35 PM

That Harvey fence and rail system looks very similar to the one that came with my Baleigh table saw. I also had to do quite a bit of fiddling around with adjustments to the fence locking mechanism but eventually got it to lock down the way it should. Enjoy your new saw.

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#2 posted 02-22-2021 09:37 PM

I think Harvey makes some Powermatic and Baleigh. Going to move the pads out a little. Maybe too tight.
Cabinet looks same as 1040E. Same fence base, but Baleigh has the traditional HDPE sides instead of the extrusion. Trunnions are different though. That might be the guard top piece I want. I’ll look at their parts in more detail.

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#3 posted 03-11-2021 06:59 PM

Update. Made a few cuts. Made a few ZCIs. Actually pretty simple. Not as complicated as the OEM suggest.
Got my two warrantee parts. Basic insert was warped. New one is dead on. Filler table had a big gouge in it from shipping. Replacement is perfect. Their service has been excellent. Take THAT Delta!

Running an MDF face fence. Working on my various feather boards and hold downs. A pair of SawStop magnifying fence scale indicators came today, so I wil see how that retorfit goes.

Only observation in running it is it slows down a lot quicker that I expected. I think the triple V-belt drive has a lot more friction. Put on a 80 tooth Amana full kerf blade. Cuts like butter, glass smooth.

But still waiting on my Clearview cyclone so I can attack dust management. Therefor, not making a lot of dust, just enough to get set up.

So far, very very happy.

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#4 posted 03-12-2021 01:51 AM

tvrgeek, thanks for you great post!

My C300-30 came in last month. After a week or two of getting in to the shop to fiddle with it. Took way longer to align the table wings than I thought it would. Even after a lot of effort, they aren’t 100% perfect. Probably down to a couple thousands of an inch. I guess that’s good enough.

But not my new concern, I wanted to see if you have the same issue. When the fence is locked down I am getting at least a 1/32” deflection at the back. If I put a board against the fence (with the blade full retracted), I can push the fence away from the board (at the back end of the fence) and create a 1/32-1/64” gap between the fence and the board. I can pull the fence toward the board and get the same effect. It pushes the board of coarse, and as the fence “bounces” back to position, there is now a 1/32-1/64” gap, if that makes sense.

I am having a really hard time getting a perfectly straight rip and I think this is the reason why.

I am coming from a small contractor style Dewalt with the rack and pinion style fence and with it, once you locked the fence, it was locked, exactly where you left it. So far I am not impressed with this fence and wondering if I got a bad fence, if my expectations are misplaced or if my technique is bad.

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#5 posted 03-12-2021 02:03 AM

Here’s a quick video I shot of me pushing on the fence. You can see the distance from the fence to the seem change as I push on it. Sorry, the video is shaky since I was pushing with one hand and filming with the other:
https://youtu.be/5xCo0uPScv4

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#6 posted 03-12-2021 02:03 AM

Duplicate post. Trying to figure out how to delete it. Whoops

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#7 posted 03-12-2021 11:25 AM

Any T-fence can have some deflection but there should never be enough force on it to matter. Have you read my mods on the fence latch? Mine seems more than rigid enough. Yea, I can push on it, but if the fence and blade are aligned, there is very little force applied. I have had no trouble. My old Ridgid was a double end clamp fence, so I understand what you mean, but I suspect your alignment and technique is to blame. How accurate have you set your riving knife? Mine was off quite a bit. You also may be encountering wood with a lot of internal stress. That will always be a problem. To verify do some ply or MDF. I can rip a hair’s width off 5 feet of Birch Ply. You also might go to a store and see how the fence on the SawStop feels as a comparison.

Getting wings level is a bit of an art. Sometimes even shims. Clamps, soft hammer, and of course how it moves as you snug the bolts. As I honed the table with a diamond block after I mounted them, I can barely feel the seams with my finger. Way better than needed. They were flat within a couple thou. One corner I had to take down just a bit more mostly because I want perfect.

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#8 posted 03-12-2021 11:46 AM

No centrifugal brake on motor?

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#9 posted 03-12-2021 02:33 PM

Not that I am aware of. I believe it would be a good design as many accidents happen while someone is impatient waiting for the blade to stop and clear stock. As I have yet to look at the belt size, I can look in more detail.

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#10 posted 03-12-2021 06:33 PM

Checked mine. You have to push pretty hard ot get much deflection. The only full size fence I know with locks on both rails is the Incra, and I have seen too many comments about it not staying parallel. It is also expensive and bulky, but has some nifty features.

So again, I suspect alignment, wood, or technique.

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#11 posted 03-13-2021 03:54 AM

Thanks for checking. I’m going to spend the weekend rechecking all of the alignment and try again. I’ll also do some testing with plywood or mdf and see how it goes. Thanks again.

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#12 posted 03-21-2021 06:25 PM

OK, Got a Leecraft phenolic insert for a Powermatic 66.
Outside dimensions are correct.
Ran the leveling screws almost all the way in
Had to then use my DADO to cut the clearance slot
Then Forsner bit for the knife access hole
Finally clearance the back for the knife support.
Used a jig saw to do the cut for the knife to stick through.
End result is a firm, flat ZCI. Just as it should be.

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#13 posted 04-11-2021 03:06 PM

Well, spun up my new Clear View monster collector today. Temporary ductwork as things moved to install, but I will be able to see how it works very soon. Boy did it suck up dust out of my BC and sanders! Made a few tiny mods to it I will feed back to CV.

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